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Old 07-09-2018, 09:06 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Just gut the ones you have on the 4runner now. This a race car. No point in trying to keep it a daily driver. You have to pick one or the other.
Yes, that would certainly be faster. But I can sell the Limited Doors with windows, motors, eletrical, trim, etc for a lot and help offset a ton of cost.

The front fenders, bumpers, etc are all coming off and can be sold too.

I don't see any sense in cutting up high dollar, perfect condition stuff when I could cut up salvage level parts instead.
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apparently you cant find them, thats the point.
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apparently you cant find them, thats the point.
I've found some, but so far they are all more than I wanted to pay. I'm still looking for a good deal - from a salvage 4Runner but where the door shell is still in good condition. Shell only.

It's odd that Ebay has some for less than local salvage yards, including shipping. Which tells me I just need to keep looking around the Southeast - I should be able to get some for Ebay pricing minus shipping.
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I've found some, but so far they are all more than I wanted to pay. I'm still looking for a good deal - from a salvage 4Runner but where the door shell is still in good condition. Shell only.

It's odd that Ebay has some for less than local salvage yards, including shipping. Which tells me I just need to keep looking around the Southeast - I should be able to get some for Ebay pricing minus shipping.
Or call the local salvage yard and tell them they are too high. Use Ebay pricing to prove it.

Doesn't anyone know how to haggle anymore?
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:47 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Buys Limited 4Runner to race, will not commit to tearing it up. It will look cool on a trailer and dead in the water come MM 5
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Or call the local salvage yard and tell them they are too high. Use Ebay pricing to prove it.

Doesn't anyone know how to haggle anymore?
Yeah, I've got 2 I'm talking to now. The 3rd one wanted $2,500 for all 3. I offered based on Ebay pricing and he hung up on me.

Believe me, I'm pretty good at negotiating. Fingers crossed the one I just spoke to can find them for a good price. Otherwise Ebay is tempting...

The alternative is to buy a very high mileage 4th gen 4runner ($2,500ish), strip the doors, and part out / salvage the rest. But feels way too time consuming at this point.
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I had a long reply typed out... but I doubt the advice would be heeded.


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Buys Limited 4Runner to race, will not commit to tearing it up. It will look cool on a trailer and dead in the water come MM 5
Unfortunately, this is the direction that the project is going.
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I had a long reply typed out... but I doubt the advice would be heeded.


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Unfortunately, this is the direction that the project is going.
Keep the motivational posts coming!
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You need something that resembles a door, not an actual door. Same thing for the rear hatch.

Tube, aluminum skin, voila.
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5 pages of the gay. A race car is no place to pinch pennys
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A race car is no place to pinch pennys
Easy for you to say, you're not paying for it! See update below.
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Quick Update: Four salvage doors are being loaded on a pallet as we speak and will be go out tonight. Picked up all 4 shipped for less than 1 locally. Patience paid off big and allows me to put $ back into other parts of the budget.

More updates:
- Warn Zeon 10-S Platinum Winch in the mail
- URD MAF Calibrator in the mail
- Fiberwerx Fenders in the mail
- PRP Seats Ordered
- PRP Harnesses Ordered
- Solid progress on the Front Suspension and Steering this week

Will dive into fuel cell and system later this week. Special thanks to Matzell for his help with fuel setup suggestions.

Still looking to lock down my final tire sponsor. If you've got suggestions, PM me. I've got good pricing from one option already, but think we can get more.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:55 AM   #113 (permalink)
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You need something that resembles a door, not an actual door. Same thing for the rear hatch.

Tube, aluminum skin, voila.
Doors are locked in, but I'm going to have to do something creative for the rear hatch. Really wish I could find a way to take a hatch or tailgate and get it to fit somehow.

Salvage hatches are $$$.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:05 PM   #114 (permalink)
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why not gut the current hatch down to the skin?

If salveage hatces are $$$ then you could probably sell your good one, pick up some AL tube to make a minimalist frame and latch out of and then some AL sheet (.060 or .045 whatever is legal), put a couple rolls and bends into it to match 'the look' and be set. little bit of plastic with a couple layers of saran wrap for quick cleaning and visibility
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why not gut the current hatch down to the skin?

If salveage hatces are $$$ then you could probably sell your good one, pick up some AL tube to make a minimalist frame and latch out of and then some AL sheet (.060 or .045 whatever is legal), put a couple rolls and bends into it to match 'the look' and be set. little bit of plastic with a couple layers of saran wrap for quick cleaning and visibility
Exactly - this is the back-up plan if I a) can't find a salvage hatch or b) don't have any luck getting creative with a Toyota tailgate of some kind. Tubing, sheet metal, latches, and white paint.

A gutted hatch will actually work well for multiple purposes including housing the rear race lights, race numbers, etc required.

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So it sounds like your only option for retaining a closed rear hatch is to gut the current stock one to nothing but the outer skin and add in jus enough bracing for it to open and close at the tech gate before it twists up and stops working
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So it sounds like your only option for retaining a closed rear hatch is to gut the current stock one to nothing but the outer skin and add in jus enough bracing for it to open and close at the tech gate before it twists up and stops working
My thoughts as well. And it'll weigh practically nothing after the glass and internals are gutted - most of which will be the outer skin the a little internal bracing already there.

I'll keep looking for a salvage shell. Found a group in CA who sells them fairly cheap, but they don't have one right now. I'm on their call list though.
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Do you have to run a rear hatch? Usually they are minimal to allow tire clearance. Just a little around the edges.
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Do you have to run a rear hatch? Usually they are minimal to allow tire clearance. Just a little around the edges.
4600 Class rules above (and pasted above again)

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4600 Class rules above (and pasted above again)

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I read that, but I would argue that a hatch is not a door.

A 4Runner is considered a four-door, not a five door.
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Do you have to run a rear hatch? Usually they are minimal to allow tire clearance. Just a little around the edges.
only reason is to keep in cab dust down.

i'd say it would be worth it for the couple pounds it will weigh


edit: if they consider it not a door, then skin it, weld it and close it with some plastic
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only reason is to keep in cab dust down.
Once all the glass is removed and half doors are on, the hatch won’t do much.
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I read that, but I would argue that a hatch is not a door.

A 4Runner is considered a four-door, not a five door.

I agree with this 100%.

How many 4600 cherokees, grand cherokees and any other SUV style rig out there are running hatches? Where do you put the spare tires
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Once all the glass is removed and half doors are on, the hatch won’t do much.
math numbers pressure, it will catch some wind to keep it from blowing straight through as bad, little bit of a bubble.

hell, I guess it is easy enough to test if it will be enough to matter or not, roll down all the windows and remove the windshield, tear up and down a couple dirt roads with the rear glass rolled up and with it rolled down.

might not be enough to matter or it might be, really only takes about half hour to decide if right for him or not.

I find that I prefer dusty roads with the back glass up if windows are down in a 4runner, but I've not tried it without a windshield or windscreen of any sort
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