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Old 03-22-2019, 06:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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5th stud mod question

Does anyone make a kit for this. If I remember long field had a kit at one time but I canít find it anywhere. I know I can make it cheap but. Iím a lazy bastard and buying the thick steel then making templates and going to my buddies to plasma them out then welding ect....... it would rock to just buy them and drill the hole weld them on the arms and done
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The fifth stud mod became obsolete with the advent of arp studs. Then again with keyed arms.
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5th stud is still the best budget option don't need thick plate, if you don't mind taking it in the ass price wise, i'm pretty sure home depot or lowes will sell you some 3/16" plate and nuts/bolts to get it done. a single cutoff wheel should last long enough to get through it.

make a small square, drill a hole it in it, drill a hole in the knuckle, clamp plate to knuckle using bolt, then put whatever shape fits between arm and plate. weld in place.

i'd love to have keyed arms, but $10 is $10
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You should also martack the birfields.
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Martacks were a joke. People who couldn't figure out how to remove and reinstall c clips. I have a nice example on my garage floor of why you do a "martack"
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The fifth stud mod became obsolete with the advent of arp studs. Then again with keyed arms.
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Always thought these were a neat option. But you still have to buy the arms.

https://www.4x4labs.com/products/six-stud-blocks

5th stud is stronger than arps.. and you can always just add arps to your 5th stud.

The point of a 5th stud is to get it done cheap. If you have to buy anything but the bolts your doing it wrong.
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I already have all ARP studs and had 30 spline birfs. Iím just trying to add a bit more torsional strength to the steering. My hydro assist will loosen up my studs after a while of wheeling. This should do the trick. I was just trying to be lazy . I ordered RCV shafts and trunion eliminator kit,so when they come in Iím going to do the 5th stud mod too.
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One thing a lot of people make a mistake doing when they have HA is not limit the ram travel. If your ram still has travel after the knuckles it needs to be limited so it stops pushing right before the steering hits the stops. I have seen and witnessed, studs breaking, nuts coming loose and knuckles breaking. It happened on mine when I first put HA on. I fixed it by taking the ram apart and cutting limiting discs out of Delrin and installing on the inside of the ram.

May be something for you to check on your set-up!!
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I did the 4lab block and cut up a stock steering arm.


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damn joey, that looks pretty solid
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The best way imo is to tap the grease hole out to a big bolt and put a plate on an angle. Bolt it up tight and tack the plate to the high steer arm. Remove and fully weld.

It makes way more sense than throwing another stud in the same plane as the stock studs.

Did a bunch this way "back in the day". One set on a buddy's truck has been on for 12 years and never loosened
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One thing a lot of people make a mistake doing when they have HA is not limit the ram travel. If your ram still has travel after the knuckles it needs to be limited so it stops pushing right before the steering hits the stops. I have seen and witnessed, studs breaking, nuts coming loose and knuckles breaking. It happened on mine when I first put HA on. I fixed it by taking the ram apart and cutting limiting discs out of Delrin and installing on the inside of the ram.

May be something for you to check on your set-up!!
As a rookie to h.a. This sounds like a great tech thread for the bible (as I do not recall seeing it in the hydro threads) just thinking out loud, did I miss something in the bible?
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damn joey, that looks pretty solid
5th stud is cheap and works great but never have run anything over 36 with it. This new rig is going to run full hydro and 4Ds, so I wanted to try something a little different that wouldn't break the bank.
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As a rookie to h.a. This sounds like a great tech thread for the bible (as I do not recall seeing it in the hydro threads) just thinking out loud, did I miss something in the bible?
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It was something I came up with when I first did HA, I had the frontend on jackstands and the ram was not bolted to the tie rod, steering was at DS lock and I pulled on the ram and the ram still had more travel, I may have not had the ram mounted in the right place but since it was all welded up I did not want to change it.


It is just something I would look at, after I limited it the steering arms quit coming loose!!
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As a rookie to h.a. This sounds like a great tech thread for the bible (as I do not recall seeing it in the hydro threads) just thinking out loud, did I miss something in the bible?
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Thatís not new, and has been posted in quite a few threads. The search sucks so bad lately, and the Bible is badly needing a refresh.
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Thatís not new, and has been posted in quite a few threads. The search sucks so bad lately, and the Bible is badly needing a refresh.
I know, I have posted it up quite a few times in the past!!
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The fifth stud mod became obsolete with the advent of arp studs. Then again with keyed arms.
I disagree, I have seen and broke my share of ARP studs. keyed/6 stud arms are nice, but on any budget build a 5th stud is a great and very cheap upgrade.
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I disagree, I have seen and broke my share of ARP studs. keyed/6 stud arms are nice, but on any budget build a 5th stud is a great and very cheap upgrade.
If you're buying new, just do keyed arms. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.
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I thought you can only brake a stud with a cone washer is if it is loose. Once itís loose it can be leveraged. ARPs with a higher tensile strength allowed a higher torque. Keying the arms is the big jump in strength.
I am regurgitating stuff Iíve read, point out where itís wrong or missing something.
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I thought you can only brake a stud with a cone washer is if it is loose. Once itís loose it can be leveraged. ARPs with a higher tensile strength allowed a higher torque. Keying the arms is the big jump in strength.
I am regurgitating stuff Iíve read, point out where itís wrong or missing something.
At some point the clamping force is overcome. And apparently it happens with 37"s.
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If you're buying new, just do keyed arms. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.
I never said anything about new, I can buy used HS arms for a hundred bucks, add a 5th stud and done. I am in no way saying keyed arms are a waste just suggesting that with a limited budget you can get away with a 5th stud and spend money on other things.
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