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Old 01-11-2020, 01:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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22re Burning Oil

1985 22RE Pickup 1 ton (Work Truck)


Symptoms:

- Burns 1 quart every 12 gallons of gas
- White Smoke from exhaust for the first 10 minutes in the morning when the truck is warming up. (Mornings have been 40-50 degrees)
- Oil Pressure seems too high to me (numbers are below)
- Inconsistent Idle (750 - 1100rpms)
- The motor has a slight miss
- Heater does not get hot very quickly and does not feel like it gets all the way hot


History:

- Replaced TPS 2 years ago because truck started running bad - Problem fixed
- Noticed truck was burning a good amount of oil about the same time
- Replaced PCV
- Removed and Cleaned EGR
- Removed and cleaned intake manifold and throttle body (Bother were caked with black)
- Cleaned baffle in the valve cover

As of Today:

- Had motor rebuilt 6 months ago but the guy who did it sucked so I would not be surprised if he messed something up.
- Replaced PCV again today
- Checked Oil Pressure
- Cold Idle > 65psi
- Cold 3000rpm > 85psi
- Hot Idle > 22psi
- Hot 3000rpm > 75psi
- Check Compression
- Dry > 180psi on all Cylinders
- Wet > 185psi on all Cylinders
- No check engine light codes
- Checked for Vacuum leaks with carb clean
- Check Timing
- 5 degrees with terminal "T" shorted
- 11-12 when the motor is warm


Truck runs pretty good and has lots of power. Open to any suggestions, thank you

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Old 01-11-2020, 02:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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When vehicle is driven at temp and parked for like 30 mins do you get smoke on start?
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When vehicle is driven at temp and parked for like 30 mins do you get smoke on start?

I never really noticed it when driving around, just in the morning.

But today when I was running some test there was the smoke first thing in the morning like usual, I let it run for about 15 minutes the majority of smoke had stopped.

Then I went to auto parts store came home about an hour later I started the truck and it was smoking for the first 7-8 minutes then the majority of it was gone but you could still see a little.

I don't think I notice it when driving but when it is running in my covered parking I can see it really good.
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Knee jerk reaction was head gasket..
After reading the rest (builder sucks) , sounds like a rattle can rebuild except for the comp. Test...

Let us know when you get the Ah Ha moment.
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Knee jerk reaction was head gasket..
After reading the rest (builder sucks) , sounds like a rattle can rebuild except for the comp. Test...

Let us know when you get the Ah Ha moment.
I agree the builder sucked but I have to be able to find where he screwed up before blaming him.
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Was the head rebuilt?
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since the engine was rebuilt have you bothered to check and adjust the valves? I just tuned up a 22re for a customer and he stated the engine, since rebuilt, has never had the valves adjusted. What a difference.
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Was the head rebuilt?
It was supposed to be

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since the engine was rebuilt have you bothered to check and adjust the valves? I just tuned up a 22re for a customer and he stated the engine, since rebuilt, has never had the valves adjusted. What a difference.

I took it back to the shop after 300 miles and they supposedly adjusted them as part of the "break-in" Which did not seem like enough milage.

But I can always take off the valve cover and check them.

thank you for the suggestions.... I am open to try\test anything. I have run out of ideas of things to check.
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#1--DOCUMENT.. The best thing you can do is actually document the amount of oil consumed to the mileage. This was always the first step we took when there was an oil consumption issue. I will take a while to get the facts in front of you--but you will have a strong leg to stand on legally speaking if it has to go that route.

Thats your starting point since you paid for a service. Don't go tearing it apart or you will loose the leverage you have to have the shop take care of there problem....
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Valve guides sound like they could be shot
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Really should hand it back to the shop.
We had 2 engines rebuilt by a reputable shop not long ago, the dauntless started smoking
The owner of the shop redid the eng. At $0.00 cost to us.
Good or bad? I dunno.
Let him deal with it...
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Really should hand it back to the shop.
We had 2 engines rebuilt by a reputable shop not long ago, a 22r\e celica head and a v-6, the dauntless started smoking
The owner of the shop redid the eng. At $0.00 cost to us.
Good or bad? I dunno.
Let him deal with it...

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Everyone wants to buy a china head (22 series)rather than redo a stocker... (You should know this answer)
AGAIN good or bad I dunno, but would be another talking point.
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#1--DOCUMENT.. The best thing you can do is actually document the amount of oil consumed to the mileage. This was always the first step we took when there was an oil consumption issue. I will take a while to get the facts in front of you--but you will have a strong leg to stand on legally speaking if it has to go that route.

Thats your starting point since you paid for a service. Don't go tearing it apart or you will loose the leverage you have to have the shop take care of there problem....
I have been documenting everything. This rebuild has been going on since July with it being sent back to the shop to get fixed 3 times.

At this point, I just want to make sure that it is not something else unrelated to the work he did, before I place any blame on the shop.

I was looking for any other test or things I could check without tearing the motor apart. Unless someone has any ideas I think my next step is to take to another shop and have them document the problem so its a third party.


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Valve guides sound like they could be shot
Is there anything I can check or test to confirm this?

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Really should hand it back to the shop.
We had 2 engines rebuilt by a reputable shop not long ago, the dauntless started smoking
The owner of the shop redid the eng. At $0.00 cost to us.
Good or bad? I dunno.
Let him deal with it...
I handed it back to them 3 times now and they can't figure it out., it has 2 year warranty on it from them.

I am just looking to confirm the problem so I don't blame someone for something that is not related to their work.

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Break it down to where the oil can come from
-Valve Guides
-Piston rings
-pcv system

The first 2 require tear down to see whats going on. Oil from the PCV system is typically an after effect from excessive blow by--which stems usually from a sealing issue in the cylinder.

I always start with a leak down test--that can tell you quite a bit in regards to how the rings/valves are sealing...
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I handed it back to them 3 times now and they can't figure it out., it has 2 year warranty on it from them.

I am just looking to confirm the problem so I don't blame someone for something that is not related to their work.[/QUOTE]

Well you have heard the term "3rd times the charm" RIGHT???
A 2 year warranty goes buy fast when they keep handing it back unresolved, and you allow them to.
At 48:1 maybe take is to a 2 stroke shop
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how do the spark plugs look? Oily? Any areas that look oily around the out side of the motor?

My 22re after being rebuilt would blow the dip stick tube out and spray oil. Oil pressure was to high as well. Every time I gave it gas I could hear the dip stick shoot out and hit the hood. The guy that rebuilt the motor told me to go buy another oil pump and measure the size of the relief valve in it and swap it for another one. Sure enough they where different and that fixed it.
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i had a problem with my 4runner smoking at startup, the valve guide seals were shot. every time the truck sat for more than a few hrs it would smoke upon startup. i swapped new seals in and no more smoking at startup.
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