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Old 11-25-2004, 09:39 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I started to notice that my 85 i just bought several months ago does the same thing.
The only problem is that when it does start cranking it wont wanna fire up or when it does fire up it runs like crap. BTW when it does start cranking i can smell gas which tells me the injectors are cycling, but no spark.
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Mine does the same thing, I think that when you get the click click and no cranking the injectors or the cold start injector at least are being activated and cause some flooding. That would explain the gas smell, hard start and the running like crap. After a few revs it runs fine. I have yet to try this starter fix, but am very hopeful it will resolve the problem.

If it's not already there, this thread should be in the FAQ!
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I second that if it's not already in the FAQ
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Old 12-02-2004, 11:07 AM   #29 (permalink)
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My 88 4runner was in a flood up to the steering wheel and would intermittently not start. I just did this mod and it starts every time. Thanks! DMG
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Old 12-02-2004, 01:27 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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anyone have a pic of where the starter relay is, or a better description than "passenger fender" i've looked at my truck and in haynes, but no luck.

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Old 11-26-2007, 11:03 PM   #32 (permalink)
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What year is your truck?

On my '89 3.0L 4runner it was in the middle of the fender, bolted to the outter wall (not laying down on the fender)

I don't have that truck to take a better look or a pic, and my current Toy is a first gen without the relay.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:24 AM   #33 (permalink)
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On my '89 3.0L 4runner it was in the middle of the fender, bolted to the outter wall (not laying down on the fender)
My '86 22re was the same too. Metal capped relay all by itself. I believe it even says "starter relay" right on it.
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my truck is a 1990 with the 22re. I searched the pass. fender again, nothing other than the large fuse block.
I just put new contacts in my starter today, so i'm hoping to do this mod as well to make them last.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:53 PM   #35 (permalink)
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My '86 22re was the same too. Metal capped relay all by itself. I believe it even says "starter relay" right on it.
Yup, it does say "Starter Relay" on it. Can't be much simpler than that


Andrew, try to follow the small wire up from the starter and see where it goes. Maybe Toyota relocated the relay on 3rd gens

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Old 11-30-2007, 11:02 PM   #36 (permalink)
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also check the fusible link they are cheap and were the source of all my starting issues included low cranking power flooding etc

on the passenger side under the hood 60 amp also pit a new terminal on it mine was worn out

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Old 12-01-2007, 05:13 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Big, your a fawking Genius!!!!! I was about ready to pull the starter on my 88 V6, and saw this pop back up. Hmmmmmm,,,,, lets check this out.

Ran a few jumpers to see if it was indeed a lack of current via the stock wiring, and sure enough, it was!! Your fix was all that is needed to quit having to park on a hill like a Volkswagen .....

Took about 15 minutes from start to finish!

Thanks dOOd!!!!!
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:31 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Glad to see people are still reading this and it helping fix their starting issues.

Maybe it should be added or linked in the FAQ??


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LOL!!! Here ya go:

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Old 12-02-2007, 03:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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what denotes the "top"? the litle fastener on the connector or the little ride where the "neckdown" is?


I figured it out....the fastener denotes the "top"
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:01 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I did the #4 wire straight to the + battery post.So far so good.Before running the stereo or not starting it right on the first turn of the key causes my 2wd 22re 91 Toyota not to start.Many times had to kick start it.
The starting relay is located on the driver panel and it says "starter relay".Finding the wire is tricky but I matched up the male diagram and went ahead by cutting and soldering the #4 wire to the battery.
I changed the key ignition,battery,checked starter contacts looked fine.
Thanks for the tech modification.
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The starting relay is located on the driver panel and it says "starter relay"
ahhh ok, is this under the hood, or under the dash?
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:26 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Under the hood. Mine was on the passenger fender ('89 V6 4Runner), but I guess other year & engines must of had them on the driverside.

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Old 11-25-2008, 11:57 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I fixed the pic by uploading through pirate with my redstar so it won't disapear if my webspace disapears

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Did this as a trail fix on a friend's 4runner (22re) the otherday when her starter died in the middle of the trail.

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my truck is a 1990 with the 22re. I searched the pass. fender again, nothing other than the large fuse block.
I just put new contacts in my starter today, so i'm hoping to do this mod as well to make them last.
1990 4Runner, 22RE same problem. Did you ever find it? There is the fuse box (don't think so, but its in the right place), and then a near the airbox (driver's side fender) 2"x2" black box that is marked with + sign so it looks like this [+] with two bigger wires coming out of it. Gonna try to trace the wire from the starter itself.

I linked this thread to yotatech. http://www.yotatech.com/f116/tech-ti...er-fix-160948/
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3rd gen's are most likely different. The relay might be in a different place or they might not have it. You'd have to check an FSM for your truck to see if the wiring diagram for the starter system is similar.

Trace the small solenoid wire bac from the starter to see where it goes if you can. This will goto the relay (if there is one).


Can you edit your post to include a link to this post? I'm not on yotatech, so the guys could post their questions here instead. Tell them to ask their questions here too and I'll do my best to answer them
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3rd gen's are most likely different. The relay might be in a different place or they might not have it. You'd have to check an FSM for your truck to see if the wiring diagram for the starter system is similar.

Trace the small solenoid wire bac from the starter to see where it goes if you can. This will goto the relay (if there is one).


Can you edit your post to include a link to this post? I'm not on yotatech, so the guys could post their questions here instead. Tell them to ask their questions here too and I'll do my best to answer them
Oh hey, you're in Langley? I'm in N. Van. Cool.

I thought I did link it back, but I see I forgot, fixed it now. Great writeup by the way. The 1990 4Runner FSM says "The [starter] relay is located in the No. 1 junction box on the drivers side." That really isn't all that helpful. I went out and had a look in the engine bay (the write up says you used 2 feet of wire, I inferred the relay is near the battery). There is the fuse box (don't think so, but its in the right place), and then a near the airbox (driver's side fender) 2"x2" black box that is marked with + sign so it looks like this [+] with two bigger wires coming out of it, its black plastic an does not look like any relay I've ever seen. Today I took apart the glove box thinking it might be back there, there is only a 5 pin EFI or ECU relay (pulled it but the engine started up and ran badly like when you pull the EFI fuse). I looked in by the drivers' footwell fusebox and didn't see anything that looked big enough to be a starter relay..

I think i'm going to find Jimmy Hoffa in my truck before I find the relay. I haven't traced the wires off the starter yet as I have a York compressor obstructing any real view (changing the oil filter is a major pain now). I will pull the starter access cover in the p-side wheel well to see what I can later, but any info on the 1990 relay location would be appreciated.

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as far as the female / male connector goes, which is female and which is male? the plastic body has male terminals inside the female body, and vice versa. i want to make sure i cut the right wire. nice thread btw, it will save me some $ and grief.

here's what my question pertains to from post #1.
Female:
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Male:
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nevermind, i found the right wire. the "male plug" is the male connector plug, not the terminals. just wanted to make sure. now that that is done and working, i found that i need some new contacts for the solenoid. anyone have a good source? thanx.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:00 PM   #50 (permalink)
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as far as the female / male connector goes, which is female and which is male? the plastic body has male terminals inside the female body, and vice versa. i want to make sure i cut the right wire. nice thread btw, it will save me some $ and grief.

here's what my question pertains to from post #1.
Female:
___
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| 1 | 2 |
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| 3 | 4 |
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Male:
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| 2 | 1 |
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| 4 | 3 |
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nevermind, i found the right wire. the "male plug" is the male connector plug, not the terminals. just wanted to make sure. now that that is done and working, i found that i need some new contacts for the solenoid. anyone have a good source? thanx.
How about a spare starter?? Give me a call. I've got one for you if you need one.
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