OK, this is kinda sorta a repost. I am running the atlas support ring on my 4 speed, and have had adapter problems, see here: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=727679 So I am knocking around the idea of removing the ASR, cause I think it may be binding and breaking my adapter. The length and weight of the 4 speed concerns me, though. Anyone running a 4sp unsupported in the rear? What were the results. I have a guy that can make a steel adapter (Sumner Machine Works). I think that would hold the weight. I even thought about having him put extra holes in the adapter, and use more of the un-used bolt holes in the front of the atlas. But the weight is still all out there hanging off of the reduction housing Whatcha think?