[jsawduste]

Excuse my ignorance here......Nothing in the search function............Did see a comment in BV`s D60 bible that he (the author of that subject) wished he had done it thicker...........

Converting an HP60 to 5 lug. Already retubed and have started getting the CHEVY outers together.

Was whining in another post about how much the caliper brackets were costing. A fairly simple piece of steel. Compared to the brackets Dan makes for rear axles with the amount of material and the bends and such.

The brackets I`ve found have all been of 3/8 thick 100-250 bucks

Did find a set that were all nice and powdercoated purdy that were a 1/2 thick for less then 100. Those I might consider rather then making my own.

Question, Since the caliper bracket gets bolted to the spindle and then the hub sandwiches it. Is there enough room for a 1/2 thick caliper bracket between the spindle and hub ? What about the alignment of the caliper and the rotor ? As the caliper will be pushed out an 1/8 inch ? :homer:

All compared to the 3/8 stuff that is out there.

Just cause they are available doesn't mean they will work. So I ask the mighty PBB wrecking crew to share there wisdom.

No, 8 lug is not an option...........Yes it will be a 15 inch wheel with 4 1/4 BSing.

 

[95geo]

ford- knuckle-caliper bracket-spindle
chevy- knuckle-spindle-caliper bracket.

 

[REDDMANIAC]

the brackets Ive seen and had(mine were all for the 3/4ton 8lug conversion for 15in wheels) bring the caliper really close to the knuckle, I doubt the 5lug conversion brackets brings it any closer than that. That being said the caliper brackets are the same, I bet. So usually you can find those type brackets on ebay for cheap. Then bolt it all together, find a 5 lug rotor with the backspacing that works. The 1/2 bracket should be a problem as long as you can find the appropriate rotor, 5lug rotors come in a great variety of backspacing.

 

[jsawduste]

the brackets Ive seen and had(mine were all for the 3/4ton 8lug conversion for 15in wheels) bring the caliper really close to the knuckle, I doubt the 5lug conversion brackets brings it any closer than that. That being said the caliper brackets are the same, I bet. So usually you can find those type brackets on ebay for cheap. Then bolt it all together, find a 5 lug rotor with the backspacing that works. The 1/2 bracket should be a problem as long as you can find the appropriate rotor, 5lug rotors come in a great variety of backspacing.

Thanks REDMN.
these are the brackets (on Ebay :laughing I found

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0454232833&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

What do you think ??

 

[REDDMANIAC]

go for it, just dont plan on installing them between the spindle and knuckle.

 

[95geo]

Whiterhino's jeep uses blackbird customs brackets. We had to grind 1/8-3/16" off the outer knuckle to clear the caliper. They were cheap enough I wouldnt waste my time trying to make something. BBC can make almost anything you want for the bracket also.

If you want to run 17's my dad and I have figured out the perfect setup for the money.

 

[REDDMANIAC]

oh, I dont like how the 3/4 ton caliper has the banjo fitting so near the knuckle, I had to clearance the banjo I was using to get it real close. You can use a variety of castings with the 7in pin mount to pin mount calipers, I liked the eldorado or elcamino calipers as they had the banjo centered right in the middle of the caliper.

 

[jsawduste]

go for it, just dont plan on installing them between the spindle and knuckle.

Whiterhino's jeep uses blackbird customs brackets. We had to grind 1/8-3/16" off the outer knuckle to clear the caliper. They were cheap enough I wouldnt waste my time trying to make something. BBC can make almost anything you want for the bracket also.

If you want to run 17's my dad and I have figured out the perfect setup for the money.

Red,
thought they would go between the spindle and the hub ?? Not sure if there would be room for the hub to spin.

95GEO, you guys always have the cool stuff. But us mere mortals that are running 15 inch wheels have to work a little harder. BBC is a name I should know but cannot place. Could you send me a PM ?

Saw Blackbirds parts but thought 260 bucks for 2 flat plates and a couple rotors + shipping was a bit much.
There are plenty of 5 on 5.5 rotors for < 50 each. The steel is free as is waterjetting it out. Just need the math or a drawing to copy.

 

[REDDMANIAC]

Red,
thought they would go between the spindle and the hub ?? Not sure if there would be room for the hub to spin.

thats exactly where you want to be able to mount it, for a 8lug conversion to 15 inch wheels, the plate is usually between the spindle and knuckle and sucked there. I now have blackbirds, but they are not flat plate, but rather several plates welded together and clearanced over the spindle.

 

[jsawduste]

thats exactly where you want to be able to mount it, for a 8lug conversion to 15 inch wheels, the plate is usually between the spindle and knuckle and sucked there. I now have blackbirds, but they are not flat plate, but rather several plates welded together and clearanced over the spindle.

So do you think having the plate between the hub and spindle would work ? Is there a 1/2 or so of room ?

Spindle and knuckle doesn't sound good.

 

[REDDMANIAC]

So do you think having the plate between the hub and spindle would work ? Is there a 1/2 or so of room ?

Spindle and knuckle doesn't sound good.

having the plate in stock location will work IF you can find the proper backspacing of rotor. I like the odds of finding a rotor that will work as there are a ton of 5lug rotor variations.

 

[jsawduste]

having the plate in stock location will work IF you can find the proper backspacing of rotor. I like the odds of finding a rotor that will work as there are a ton of 5lug rotor variations.

You are correct on the rotor height. Searching for rotors for my 14 bolt 5.5 on 5/15 inch wheel showed a bunch of different heights.

Several 1/2 ton Dodge vs several Ford at least are available. Just need to find a close one with a diameter and height to match up.

 

[95geo]

If you change the order of the stack up your stub shaft isnt going to line up like it used to. IE, it's probably not going to fit.

 

[chris demartini]

Not only that but if you space the spindle out with the bracket behind it, you're now supporting the vehicle by putting the 3/8 spindle bolts in shear. The step on the spindle where it fits into the knuckle is what is originally designed to support the vehicle. The studs are just there to hold the spindle on.

I had a thread last year about front 60 brackets using the 1/2 or 3/4 chevy front calipers. If you look there's some pictures with the Blackbird brackets.

I haven't done it yet but I still want to convert to smaller brakes in the front. My buggy weighs 3600 lbs there's no reason for the huge 1 ton brakes.

When I do this I'm going to order some weld-on brackets from Ballistic for $34, trim them down and just weld them onto the spindle. To me it's just cleaner than any bracket out there that doesn't space the spindle off the knuckle and put the studs in shear.

 

[REDDMANIAC]

Not only that but if you space the spindle out with the bracket behind it, you're now supporting the vehicle by putting the 3/8 spindle bolts in shear. The step on the spindle where it fits into the knuckle is what is originally designed to support the vehicle. The studs are just there to hold the spindle on.

I had a thread last year about front 60 brackets using the 1/2 or 3/4 chevy front calipers. If you look there's some pictures with the Blackbird brackets.

I haven't done it yet but I still want to convert to smaller brakes in the front. My buggy weighs 3600 lbs there's no reason for the huge 1 ton brakes.

When I do this I'm going to order some weld-on brackets from Ballistic for $34, trim them down and just weld them onto the spindle. To me it's just cleaner than any bracket out there that doesn't space the spindle off the knuckle and put the studs in shear.

If you change the order of the stack up your stub shaft isnt going to line up like it used to. IE, it's probably not going to fit.

Yea, I think he gets that. If he gets those 1/2 thick brackets, his next really only concern is finding the correct rotor. If no rotor will work, then he may have to resort to the 3/8 brackets.