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I've been looking for an '85 pickup for a while now, found one with fuel injection and A/C. Went and looked at it today, looks like a nice, clean little truck. Factory suspension, 30" tires, good carpet, A/C works good, seats could use replacing, but not bad. Drove it, and it felt COMPLETELY gutless. After driving it, I pulled a couple spark plugs, and they are completely fried (all black and electrode is worn way down). Points in cap and rotor looked about as bad as the plugs, and he said he replaced the air filter about a year ago. Also, I'm not sure if this would affect power much or not, but there are exhaust leaks before and after the muffler. Rubbed my finger inside tailpipe, and it was all black and sooty. No leaks; little rust in bed, but not bad. Paint doesn't look too bad, sheetmetal is all smashed in behind pass. side tire (quarter panel). My main concern is the power issue. I used to have an '89 w/22re, and as far as I know, it is the same engine as the '85 22re. My '89 felt pretty good, and I was expecting the '85 to feel similar, but it's more like you just step on the gas and watch it slowly accelerate; your either accelerating or you're not. This could be a good deal if all it needs is new ignition and exhaust..... Also, the birfs are weeping a lot of grease, so the knuckles would need to be rebuilt (this seems pretty typical in these model trucks). He was hoping to gt $3,000 for it, I told him bluebook was about $1,600, and I would give him $2,000, maybe $2,500. I'm supposed to call him tommorrow, but I could use any opinions you all may have. Thanks, and sorry for the long post. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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that's how mine drove when i got it last year. it had 121,000 on it. i changed the oil first thing. put in a k&n filter, 2.25" exhaust, new plugs, cap and rotor. played with the mass air flow sensor. it still has a little soot in the pipe but oh well. i'm just waiting fo the engine to die. i want to swap in a 4.3 vortech when it does. i now have 137,000 miles and it runs a lot better then it did when i got it! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> oh, and it is fuel injected too! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Hmm, sounds like it won't pass smog that way. See if he will put a new cap rotor, plugs in it, and see if it runs better. But it does not sound to good from what you described. On the other hand, if you can get the price down it sounds like a decent deal, and 85's are a great year. Remeber in Cali, seller must smog it to sell it. That could help you.
 

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A tune up sounds to be in order (plugs, wires, cap and rotor which about all you can do w/ a 22RE other than timing). He's hoping for 3k on a truck that hasn't been maintaned? I'd offer KBB and go from there. If I got it for 2k I'd think I made out fine.
 

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are all the 22re's the same? I had an '89 a while back w/ a 22re, and it was great. If I could get this engine in the '85 to have the same amount of power, I'd be perfectly happy. Aside from ignition components and timing, what else could possibly make the engine so gutless? Doesn't seem to me that it could be any internal problems, and the truck just purred while idling. If all I have to do is throw on some plugs, wires, cap, rotor, and exhaust, it'd probably be worth it in my opinion. I just wanna make sure I'm not getting some lemon of an engine that I'm gonna have to put up with. I was almost thinking just go over there with all that stuff (except the exhaust) and put it on and drive it, see how it feels. I could also do the timing on it at the same time. I just don't wanna make the guy's truck run all perfect like, then he gets greedy and wants more $$ for it or wants to keep it. Would it be weird if I did that? I was thinkin' too I should probably call lik DOA or other Toy 4 cyl. engine related company tommorrow and talk to them about it. Thx for your help, and keep it coming! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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yeah, callin doa is a good idea. and i wouldn't want him to get it all runnin good and then try to hackle him down on the price either. I think 2k is a real good deal, no way you could find one like that here.
 

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If both are perfectly tuned up, shouldn't an '85 EFI'd 4 cyl. have the same power as an '89 EFI'd 4 cyl?

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I just got off the phone with LC Engineering, and they told me to have a 'leak down' test performed on it to see how much air is leaking past the cylinders, if any. If that goes well, looks like I may have a new truck! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

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Most 22Rs with a few miles on them have burned exausts valves and the power goes out the tail pipe. The book says to adj.the valves every 15000 miles and hardly anyone does. I leak down test will let you hear the air goming out the exaust if infact the valves are bad.
 

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Before you actually but this truck make sure it will pass smog and that is the sellers responsibility as you know here in CA. So if it needs a good tune up or other parts he will have to come up to the base, make sure you agree on the price incase he has to dump money into it that he is trying to pawn off on you to do...so to speak. To many people selling it for that reason alone in the state. To bad your not up here as there is an 85 with dual cases and all set up for the starting price of 3K, and Im sure someone can get it for less. Not to put a damper on your deal, just saw it in the paper. Good luck. <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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The 22re engines are close to the same but do have a difference in hp and torque specs. This is what I have dug up, hope its accurate.

1985 - 1988 116hp @ 4800rpm
140lbs @ 2900rpm

1989 - 1995 103hp @ 4800rpm
133lbs @ 2900rpm

Masteryota can generally rattle off specs off the top of his head, and is almost always dead nutz accurate too!! Good luck and congrats with your truck! <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by 5spd:
<STRONG>Before you actually but this truck make sure it will pass smog and that is the sellers responsibility as you know here in CA. So if it needs a good tune up or other parts he will have to come up to the base, make sure you agree on the price incase he has to dump money into it that he is trying to pawn off on you to do...so to speak. To many people selling it for that reason alone in the state. To bad your not up here as there is an 85 with dual cases and all set up for the starting price of 3K, and Im sure someone can get it for less. Not to put a damper on your deal, just saw it in the paper. Good luck. <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Where's Chico? Is it up by Sacramento? Why is all the good stuff always so far away? <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
 

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Ya, were 90mi north of Sac, theres always 4runners and trucks up here for sale, in fact Im going to sell my 84 SR5 4runner soon...maybe.... <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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The grvw of my 85 4runner is 4800lbs per mfg. tag., not sure what the truck is but a quick look and then a matchup in differences would do the trick.
 

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1985-88 vs 1989-95 hp

Jeremy K said:
The 22re engines are close to the same but do have a difference in hp and torque specs. This is what I have dug up, hope its accurate.

1985 - 1988 116hp @ 4800rpm
140lbs @ 2900rpm

1989 - 1995 103hp @ 4800rpm
133lbs @ 2900rpm<IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
The reason for the above difference is only a different way of measuring according to this:http://t4x4pickup.com/dgroup/messages/5055.html

": I was doing a little research today and found some different power numbers out there. The TCR web site lists the 85-88 22re at 116hp, 140lb/ft and the 89-95 22re at 103hp, 133lb/ft. What caused the drop in power? I assume it is emissions related but what is it specificly? Some how I always thought that it whent the other way, hp was incresed in the later years. The TCR people seem knowlegeable. This change in what I thought my 91 4x4 was putting out would substantialy change the power to weight comparison between my 87 22r 2wd and my 91 22re 4x4. I have always felt that the 91 was under powered compared to the 87. Any ideas?

I just got an e-mail back from TCR about their hp, lb/ft numbers. They say that the difference is caused by a change from flywheel measurment to rear wheel measurment by Toyota."



I know this is an old thread. I posted the above comment in a more recent thread but the thread dissapeared. It was a thread that seabass44 had started in 2003 about a 1983 head.

Luc

http://web.ncf.ca/ez273/20R_4Runner_index_page.htm
 

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Hopefully sold a long time ago

brownbagg said:
$1500 for a 85 would be a high price, no way I go 2k
I didn't bring back this thread for the '85 pickup for sale. I just want to bring to everyone's attention that there probably is no perfomance difference between the 1985-88 and the 1989-95 EFI systems.

View my previous post for details.

TCR should have mentionned on their site that "the difference is caused by a change from flywheel measurment to rear wheel measurment by Toyota"

Luc
 
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