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Im looking for an air starter for the 6v53N Detroit Diesel that I'm putting in my '56 IH. It is 318 CID. I found an IR BMPD series starter for a reasonable price but it is listed for applications from 500 to 2000 CID diesel engines and consumes 370 CFM @ 90 psi. The smaller SS175 series is listed for 200 to 1200 CID engines and consumes 300 CFM @ 90 psi.

If the larger starter will physically fit, is there any reason it wouldnt work?
 

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Why? Its hard enough to get a jump start these days, not many people carry a 30 gallon air tank charged to 120psi with them. I think the novelty would wear out quickly.
 

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I already have plans for backup air supply.. but thats not the question.

Im not worried about potential problems with the setup just looking for some input on whether it will work or not.
 

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The only reason I can think of would be too much air force that could blow out the starting or release valves. I've got very limited knowledge about air starting trucks other than the air systems being superior to electric starters. Wait a bit and some of the guys that work on trucks may weigh in this afternoon if they've worked on them.
 

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all i can say is i have an air starter on my big ford semi. i fawking hate that sombitch
 

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I've only seen them in videos but they do seem to spin much faster, I think it's a huge amount of air pressure released very quickly. Plus that's a very small engine.
 

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sometimes its also a size problem;
a electric motor to start a big diesel would need to be huge :eek:

here is a twin air starter setup on an huge EMD 20-645 locomotive engine (used as generator in this case);

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fpZF5oqnF0

note the small size of the two starters (and the huge air lines going to them)

btw
the engine is a 20V with 645 cid (10.7 liter) displacement ... on each cylinder :eek: :smokin:

sorry to the OP for taking this thread completely off track :p
 

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get over to 4btswaps and talk to grigg in the detroit section. he setup a air starter on a 453.

supercharged65 is also a really good guy to get detroit info from.
 

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Is there a back up electric starter in case there is an air leak or if it doesn't start?
 

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The yahoo detroit group is a good source too.
All pneumatic motors work the same way... you can regulate air flow for lower torque if you want (for less air usage), just like air tools. There is a similar starter (different body, perhaps?) for 671/92 listed here
IR Air Starters by Engine
Post up a starting viedeo when you are done!
 

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My Dad used to be an AGE mechanic for F-106 systems. They had external air starters (air compressors). For remote field landings, the F-106's had a small backup rocket starter.

You need a backup rocket starter in case you don't have air. :grinpimp: :smokin:
now THAT would be cool for the next hotrod cruise :smokin: ....
just dont park on the dry grass :flipoff2:
 

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In on road applications there's usually also an electric starter installed with an air starter. Cold start in the morning on the electric, air starter after every delivery. Plenty of flywheel housings come with both right and left starter holes machined out for this sort of setup (and just for general adaptability)

All you'll run into with the bigger air starter is that it is bigger and more expensive. Like a 2.0 KW starter on a toyota with the winter package rather than the 1.2 or 1.5KW starter motor.
Besides, you probably won't have an ideal air line running to it, so it's not likely to see near full tank pressure ever.

ETA: For the jump start guys, there's also push starting. You'd be surprised the tiny inclines you can push start off of. My driveway slopes about 3" in 10 feet, and that's enough to get my IDI going when it is warm out.
 

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Mine currently has an electric starter. There is no provision for two starters with this setup. I found a diagram online showing the size of the 150BMPD air starter and it looks like it will fit fine. It actually measures slightly smaller than the electric starter.

Heres the 6v53N mocked up in my '56 IH pickup. I've replaced the front frame rails since then.. should be ready to mount the engine soon. You can see the electric starter in this pic.. it's about 16"+ long and almost 6" round.





The main purpose of running an air starter is to scare old women and children.. and probably most men too :flipoff2:
 

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All you'll run into with the bigger air starter is that it is bigger and more expensive. Like a 2.0 KW starter on a toyota with the winter package rather than the 1.2 or 1.5KW starter motor.
Besides, you probably won't have an ideal air line running to it, so it's not likely to see near full tank pressure ever.

ETA: For the jump start guys, there's also push starting. You'd be surprised the tiny inclines you can push start off of. My driveway slopes about 3" in 10 feet, and that's enough to get my IDI going when it is warm out.
I have to agree with the above. I honestly can't see how using one on a smaller engine could hurt.
There are a shit ton of old 6-Volt Farm tractors that got coverted to 12V and still run the 6Volt starters. They Crank REALLY fast like that. doesn't hurt a thing.
 

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I'm going to regulate it down to where it spins a little slower. I like to hear it crank for a few seconds.. Sounds cooler.
 

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love the look of that DD in the IH :smokin: ....

why dont you have a build thread going on this :confused: :flipoff2:
 
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