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I bought a mini truck front axle w/ dana 44 knuckles. My cruiser is leaf over & shackle
reversed. The shackles go through the frame.
The truck perches are wider than my frame and can not be narrowed due to the diff. Please,
some installation advice.

[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: tahoe offroad ]
 

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I believe you need too Outboard the spring hangers some to fit a mini front axel in a LC.

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You are talking about a mini truck axle, right?
I don't think that allpro makes cruiser stuff. (although they make kick ass mini stuff!!)
If it is a mini axle- I don't think it will fit no matter what you do.
 

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Hmmm. Didn't think about outboarding the springs.
Does everything else line up? If it is a factory diff,won't the gear ratio will be different than the cruiser, 4:10 vs 4:11 or 3:70?
 

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I don't think the difference between 4.10 and 4.11 is appreciable. I know guys running the FJ80 electric locker (4.10) in the front of their FJ40 with a detroit in the std TLC rear (4.11) with no problems at all. Also - wasn't 79-83 FJ40's equiped with 3.70 gears stock from toyota? Other than outboarding the springs, the mini axle should be pretty "bolt-in".
 

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Has anyone ever actually done this? I mean put a mini axle under a '40? I brought this up on ORC but no one had a clue. If this is a relatively easy operation, that would fix all my other problems too.
 

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Mini axles will fit under a 40, but-

1990 up LC front ends (for leaf) are 8" diff. Soon after, the big birfields came in these too. it is possible to get a PZ/HZJ75 front end out of Canada (mine waste) but it will require a really good on site inspection (as most are corroded beyond....).

1999 on went to coil front ends (so perches wrong)-this stuff pops up also. Contact me off list if anyone is interested (Western States)-I am 6 hours from Canadian border and have good contacts.

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I met a guy with a mini front end in his cruiser. he outboarded the springs and is running the original rear. I guess it works for him but I doubt he's wheeled it.
 

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The toy pickups have 29" between the centers of their spring perches.
Cruisers have 27" between centers of perches.

Your only options for fitting this in your cruiser are to:

1) Outboard your front spring hangers and shackles. (=loss of articulation <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> )

2) Move the drivers side spring perch 2 inches towards the diff. This will result in the frontend being offset 2 inches to the drivers side of the truck. <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">

3) Another option is to cut into the differential to move the diff side spring perch one inch inwards. You would also need to move the other spring perch 1" inwards as well.

BTW The difference between 4.10 and 4.11 is so small (0.002%) that it will not matter.

Even 5.38s and 5.29s get along fine in the same truck.

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Is it only 2" difference? So only 1" per side to make up?

You should be able to ob-long the center pin hole in the peches to get 1/4" easy, maybe more. Then you could shave the bushings on the outside of both front springs to get 1/8" or more. That leaves you about 5/8" to 1/2" of misalignment on both sides - and you would be fine to pull the springs inward and they can sit at a little angle - I don't see it as much of a problem...
 

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a very good friend of mine just put a set of 60 axles in an fj45 wagon by outboarding the springs. spring over, too. i'm sure he'd be some help to ya. he can e-mail you pics also. pm me if that's what you need.
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If your worried about outboarding the springs because youv'e got the run through the frame, you can run an offset shackle in the mounts you already have. It may not be the best way to do it but it works. You would just need to build a shackle that moved the spring out an inch.
 

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Originally posted by EricFJ40:
<STRONG>If your worried about outboarding the springs because youv'e got the run through the frame, you can run an offset shackle in the mounts you already have. It may not be the best way to do it but it works. You would just need to build a shackle that moved the spring out an inch.</STRONG>
This is My original Idea, but My shackles are too short,and I'd like to keep them that way.
What do you think about a shackle with the outside shackle plate being offset and the inside plate having a 1" spacer between shackle and spring. Thanks for all the ideas.
 

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Originally posted by Jettech:
<STRONG>I believe you need too Outboard the spring hangers some to fit a mini front axel in a LC.

Rob</STRONG>
If it was this simple I would not have asked.
 

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Originally posted by FJ4ZROX:
<STRONG>I don't think the difference between 4.10 and 4.11 is appreciable. I know guys running the FJ80 electric locker (4.10) in the front of their FJ40 with a detroit in the std TLC rear (4.11) with no problems at all. Also - wasn't 79-83 FJ40's equiped with 3.70 gears stock from toyota? Other than outboarding the springs, the mini axle should be pretty "bolt-in".</STRONG>
If its a FJ-80 locker is'nt it a FJ-80 3rd member, mini truck size.That means mini truck
axle. How? Thanks.
 

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WAIT are you saying that you paid the cash for the allpro front axle without even researching if it would fit?? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Originally posted by Jettech:
I believe you need too Outboard the spring hangers some to fit a mini front axel in a fj40
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If it was this simple I would not have asked.

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umm oviously it is that simple. no matter how you do it you are gonna have to outboard your springs.
your shackle idea might work but I think I'd be a little concerned about strength
 

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Originally posted by tahoe offroad:
<STRONG>If it was this simple I would not have asked.</STRONG>

It is that simple,I researched it and called AP,I was contemplating a mini w\ 60 ends but they wanted cash in advance and 3 months,so I went and got a RC\60 instead <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Thats alot of $$ and work for a smaller R&P and a marginally stronger wheel joint.

60's fit nice <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by Tankota:
<STRONG>

1) Outboard your front spring hangers and shackles. (=loss of articulation <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">

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Would you lose articulation over what you had or lose potential articulation. if you go wider on the axle, you gain and if you go wider on the springs you lose. so would it wash out.Im more asking for my own curiosity <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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69cruzer, you got it right.
Outboarding springs with stock width axle = loss of articulation.
Outboarding springs with WIDER front axle = ??? the same, more, or less articulation depending on how much wider the new front axle is. Most likely there would be no net loss of articulation provided the new front axle is at least a couple inches wider.
 

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Originally posted by tahoe offroad:
<STRONG>This is My original Idea, but My shackles are too short,and I'd like to keep them that way.
What do you think about a shackle with the outside shackle plate being offset and the inside plate having a 1" spacer between shackle and spring. Thanks for all the ideas.</STRONG>
A friend of mine has the exact axle spring combination that you have. His shackles are centerd in the frame causing the springs to be mis-aligned. We were talking just last night about how to fix it and I agreed with EricFJ40, If you move the inner shackle plate as close as possible to the frame, you will be very close to straight on the springs and they will work fine. My friends with the crooked springs works fine BELIVE ME. It just beats the bushings out after a couple of trips.
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