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Which one's are better? I have seen the warn axles and they look damn beefy. Are they worth the extra $100?
 

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I like the Warns in my D44. I have broke 2 Ujoints since they were installed and they suffered no damage what-so-ever. These axles wont solve the ujoint breaking problem though.............I will be installing a Dana 60 this winter! Fawk It <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by The Rockslut:
<STRONG>I was told that all of the axles are from the same blanks. It just depends on who you buy them from is whos name is stamped on it. Not sure about Warns though.</STRONG>
i dont believe that after recieving a moser, the yoke is visually alot beefier than any axle ive seen...
 

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The standard axles that dutchman and moser are the same (spicer blanks), but the alloys are different. Moser has their own 1541 alloy, i think thats the #??? Dutchman uses 4340 warn shafts. The warn alloy is supposed to be harder.
 

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My Dutchman catalog states the following:
Rear axles use 1541-H

For the front axles:
Dana 44 inner and outer shafts are now available two ways. Your choice of Spicer or the new thru hardened chrome moly 4340.
 

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Originally posted by RCKRATZ:
<STRONG>The standard axles that dutchman and moser are the same (spicer blanks), but the alloys are different. Moser has their own 1541 alloy, i think thats the #??? Dutchman uses 4340 warn shafts. The warn alloy is supposed to be harder.</STRONG>

this isnt a standard, it had a tag on it advising to check steering due to more material around the ears....
 

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What about these axle shafts??

Drivetrain Warehouse (888)432-7656 sells lifetime warrenty alloy *inner* shafts for the 3/4 ton D44. Long side is $169, short is $149. He said it is a no questions asked policy.

Since they are lifetime warranty - no questions asked - I'm going this route. I just need to call them and find out what brand shafts they use.
 

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Originally posted by brector:
<STRONG>What about these axle shafts??

Drivetrain Warehouse (888)432-7656 sells lifetime warrenty alloy *inner* shafts for the 3/4 ton D44. Long side is $169, short is $149. He said it is a no questions asked policy.

Since they are lifetime warranty - no questions asked - I'm going this route. I just need to call them and find out what brand shafts they use.</STRONG>
But can you get them in custom lengths? The moser inner shafts I bought are a lot beefier than the stock units, bigger ears, and no neckdown by the splines and only cost about $130 each. But no warranty that I know of.
 

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Originally posted by old jeep:
<STRONG>But can you get them in custom lengths? The moser inner shafts I bought are a lot beefier than the stock units, bigger ears, and no neckdown by the splines and only cost about $130 each. But no warranty that I know of.</STRONG>
Not sure - I *thought* they had to neck down for the oil seal??
 

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The warn axles are supposed to be 4340 and the Moser ones are supposed to be their 1541 alloy that they use on all of their stuff. The Moser axles are beefier on the yoke, but I have heard that you lose steering angle. The alloy doesnt mean anything unless the heat treat is right and in the right places. Both axle manufacturers induction harden the shafts, but the question is: who hardens the yoke end? isnt that where most of the falures occur. this is the problem with the oem spicer axles, the shaft area is hardened, but he yoke is dead soft. By looking at the picture of the moser shafts, they dont appear the be heat treated on the yoke area, and the warn shafts appear to be, but I dont know for sure. If any one wants to call and find out, please let me know.


FYI, in the near future, Superior Gear will have some new front axles that will be made of the right alloy and heat treated in the right places. My money is on them
 

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Originally posted by goat1:
FYI, in the near future, Superior Gear will have some new front axles that will be made of the right alloy and heat treated in the right places. My money is on them[/QB]
And what would the right alloy be?
 

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Originally posted by badassjeepguy:
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this isnt a standard, it had a tag on it advising to check steering due to more material around the ears....</STRONG>
I wasn't refering to the yokes, i was refering to the material used. They both use spicer blanks and cut them down. What I was wondering is which Alloys will hold up to u-joint breakage. From what I have gathered it seems as though the Warn's are the way to go.
 

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Originally posted by RCKRATZ:
<STRONG>I wasn't refering to the yokes, i was refering to the material used. They both use spicer blanks and cut them down. What I was wondering is which Alloys will hold up to u-joint breakage. From what I have gathered it seems as though the Warn's are the way to go.</STRONG>

ahhh who da hell knows....... just build a 60 and be done! thats what im doin <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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It's amazing how none of us have the same info on this:

This is what I got when I called each of them.

(And this is for each's alloy ones - not the spicer versions Moser and Dutchman offer)

Moser - 1541 Modified, induction hardened, cold cut splines

Dutchman - 4340, Thru hardened, splines cut after heat treat

Warn - 4340, Thru hardened, no custom lengths, nut can sell long blanks for machine shop to cut and slpine

A quick call or visit to their web sites will likely confirm what I'm saying.

As far as which is best?

Depends if you need a more ductile (moser) or harder (warn/dutchman) axle.

I believe the more ductile provide a better fatigue life, the harder greater resistance to one-time overload.

Depends on your needs.
 

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Thank you Billavista. Thats all the info. i needed to know. Looks like warn shafts since what i am hoping is that if i bust a u-joint the yoke will hold up. We'll see.
 

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FWIW I just found out that Randys ring & pinion will soon cary alloy D 60 front 35 spline outer shafts. Cost will be about the same as Spicer 35 spline outers. About $110 or so. Don't know what alloy but Dutchman makes much of thier custom stuff. Be about 6 mo or so before thier on the market. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Sorry to send everyone to such a <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> website, but maybe you could call them to actually find out what they make. They sell a nice looking dana 60 35 spline stub kit anyway.

Andy
 
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