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But.....but......but......What?......wait a minute........I was told I was in the inner circle and had super secret squirrel information.:stirthepot:

As much as things change the more they stay the same ;)
There have been three episodes advertised, just confirming it will be the Rubicon Episode. :flipoff2:
 

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Just got the ok to confirm... the Rubicon episode will the be the one aired on April 26th :grinpimp:
Got the ok to confirm? Lmao, you needed the "OK" to confirm about a publicly advertised television show. Flip off right back at ya :flipoff2: Maybe next time I see ya we can go smoke cigars in a dark back room somewhere....lmao ;)
 

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Ok... I larfed, when fatboy rolled his Pathfinder. When it belches smoke after they set it upright, Adam says - "It looks like they elected a pope." :laughing:
 

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Even with John and RTF helping with this.....I was still worried that somehow they would make our crowd look like idiots, do something stupid that people would think is normal for wheeling, or say something totally dumb.

While I really like the Top Gear USA show personally, they have not had the best track record with putting our community in a good light. (Leaving a mess in the America's toughest truck episode in AK, Racing an Ultra4 car against a kayak and calling it a "nature eater" and the worst one, demolishing a cliff in Moab with a Mustang)

But IMO, they did a decent job with this episode. I liked it.
 

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Wonder where they got footage from fordyce for the intro
 

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Even with John and RTF helping with this.....I was still worried that somehow they would make our crowd look like idiots, do something stupid that people would think is normal for wheeling, or say something totally dumb.

While I really like the Top Gear USA show personally, they have not had the best track record with putting our community in a good light. (Leaving a mess in the America's toughest truck episode in AK, Racing an Ultra4 car against a kayak and calling it a "nature eater" and the worst one, demolishing a cliff in Moab with a Mustang)

But IMO, they did a decent job with this episode. I liked it.
I assume your concerns are rooted in a consistent Land Use message, so....

They start the show by disrespecting a private property owner's posted 5 mph speed limit, and launch into a full on dusty fucking brody. They cap off there visit at Uncle Tom's by barking a tree in the parking lot with the chain gag.

Coming off 2nd dam, the Bronco is hauling ass into the Kiosk area, which for Joe Blow would have likely earned him a ticket.

They play bumper cars on numerous occassions.

Anyone seriously concerned about the general public's perceptions of four wheelers would not consider this show a "decent job".

The only things missing were open containers, a trail of garbage, crap on a rock, and some inept cops saving the trail.

RTF should get the credit that they deserve for putting their brand on the same activity for which they (their officers and directors) have openly criticized here for years.

This issue does highlight why those interested in off-road cannot get behind a consistent land use policy message - it doesn't exist.
 

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I assume your concerns are rooted in a consistent Land Use message, so....

They start the show by disrespecting a private property owner's posted 5 mph speed limit, and launch into a full on dusty fucking brody. They cap off there visit at Uncle Tom's by barking a tree in the parking lot with the chain gag.

Coming off 2nd dam, the Bronco is hauling ass into the Kiosk area, which for Joe Blow would have likely earned him a ticket.

They play bumper cars on numerous occassions.

Anyone seriously concerned about the general public's perceptions of four wheelers would not consider this show a "decent job".

The only things missing were open containers, a trail of garbage, crap on a rock, and some inept cops saving the trail.

RTF should get the credit that they deserve for putting their brand on the same activity for which they (their officers and directors) have openly criticized here for years.

This issue does highlight why those interested in off-road cannot get behind a consistent land use policy message - it doesn't exist.
All of this. If people want to drive like this on the trail it might as well be closed.
 

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I assume your concerns are rooted in a consistent Land Use message, so....

They start the show by disrespecting a private property owner's posted 5 mph speed limit, and launch into a full on dusty fucking brody. They cap off there visit at Uncle Tom's by barking a tree in the parking lot with the chain gag.

Coming off 2nd dam, the Bronco is hauling ass into the Kiosk area, which for Joe Blow would have likely earned him a ticket.

They play bumper cars on numerous occassions.

Anyone seriously concerned about the general public's perceptions of four wheelers would not consider this show a "decent job".

The only things missing were open containers, a trail of garbage, crap on a rock, and some inept cops saving the trail.

RTF should get the credit that they deserve for putting their brand on the same activity for which they (their officers and directors) have openly criticized here for years.

This issue does highlight why those interested in off-road cannot get behind a consistent land use policy message - it doesn't exist.
You forgot that they are driving vehicles without plates or registration and are seen many times only wearing lap belts. :flipoff2:

I am not saying that it's PERFECT, but what I AM saying is that it could have been a lot worse.

As far as I could tell, they didn't go off trail, they didn't show fluids leaking everywhere, they didn't weld up that spring in dry conditions, they picked up their garage in the shot where Rut lost his spare, they didn't blast their music, noone became a trail tampon, they didn't have a shot of someone taking a dump in the woods and leaving it there, and if you noticed.....they WALKED into camp at Spider and didn't drive in.

It could have been way worse.

Like when they did this in Moab:

 

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I assume your concerns are rooted in a consistent Land Use message, so....

They start the show by disrespecting a private property owner's posted 5 mph speed limit, and launch into a full on dusty fucking brody. They cap off there visit at Uncle Tom's by barking a tree in the parking lot with the chain gag.

Coming off 2nd dam, the Bronco is hauling ass into the Kiosk area, which for Joe Blow would have likely earned him a ticket.

They play bumper cars on numerous occassions.

Anyone seriously concerned about the general public's perceptions of four wheelers would not consider this show a "decent job".

The only things missing were open containers, a trail of garbage, crap on a rock, and some inept cops saving the trail.

RTF should get the credit that they deserve for putting their brand on the same activity for which they (their officers and directors) have openly criticized here for years.

This issue does highlight why those interested in off-road cannot get behind a consistent land use policy message - it doesn't exist.
So to sum it up.
"Everything is bad, always."
- cjcraig7
 

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You forgot that they are driving vehicles without plates or registration and are seen many times only wearing lap belts.
So.....I can get a Top Gear plate and won't need a registration or a green sticker?:flipoff2:
 

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While I see the activities in this episode as mostly harmless I do understand the concerns brought up by folks here.

With that said what I am truly saddened by is the "Wasted Opportunity". Not knowing the whole situation surrounding this and the level of involvement of the County and RTF I can only surmise but surmise I will do.

If in fact RTF was involved in this (John, John, Eric?) and the County was contacted which I would assume happened due to the need for permits for filming etc etc. I have to say that I am flabbergasted at the wasted chance for some informational/educational aspect to this episode.

I would imagine the response will be that "We" have no control over the edit and content. To that I would suggest that if that is in fact the case you should have politely excused yourselves from involvement. Negotiate folks!

Not one mention of RTF, FOTR, The county. Not one mention of the work that has been done which in fact directly relates to them even being able to film this in the first place.

So sad, what a loss. Folks will move on and this will be forgotten in no time but "Hot Damn" guys you are better than this and should know by now how to crab an opportunity when it is presented to you.

Tim.
 

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While I see the activities in this episode as mostly harmless I do understand the concerns brought up by folks here.

With that said what I am truly saddened by is the "Wasted Opportunity". Not knowing the whole situation surrounding this and the level of involvement of the County and RTF I can only surmise but surmise I will do.

If in fact RTF was involved in this (John, John, Eric?) and the County was contacted which I would assume happened due to the need for permits for filming etc etc. I have to say that I am flabbergasted at the wasted chance for some informational/educational aspect to this episode.

I would imagine the response will be that "We" have no control over the edit and content. To that I would suggest that if that is in fact the case you should have politely excused yourselves from involvement. Negotiate folks!

Not one mention of RTF, FOTR, The county. Not one mention of the work that has been done which in fact directly relates to them even being able to film this in the first place.

So sad, what a loss. Folks will move on and this will be forgotten in no time but "Hot Damn" guys you are better than this and should know by now how to crab an opportunity when it is presented to you.

Tim.
Youre absolutely right. At first i was just excited to see some 4 wheeling on the tube. It was really just 3 giddy 14 year old girls playing bumper cars on the trail. In no way shape or form gave any credit to the trail or its supporters. They blew right past loon lake and the kiosk, they could have easily made something up where a ranger broke down some history/events/progress of the trail before it started.

They flashed a few pictures, played some old footage of other people wheeling and called it a day. I didnt like how one of the clips was of yodaman rolling. That stuff happens and it really sucks when it does but they made it seem like thats the goal of the hobby is to destroy your shit. Just go out there and give it hell until you have to walk out...

It could have been made into a really cool adventure but it was portrayed just like it was a theme park.

Ive seen at least 5 youtube videos of guys going out and really having fun, documenting the trail and there just regular joe shmoes who can put together something better than a tv production crew. I knew the show would be super cheese right off the bat but the whole going to google thing added another level of cheese i wasn't ready for.

Whatever. Its typical tv shit. I saw that their next episode is driving through the desert blindfolded, thats enough stupidity for me. I guess thats what attracts people watching tv? I wont watch tv if theres not something to be learned...i guess thats why im usually on the history channel mostly!
 

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Well....on a sidenote: I have a screenplay that I wrote several years ago that does everything that you guys have said should have been on this episode...

It's not EXACTLY about the Rubicon, it's not like a documentary with talking heads and information on the Rubicon.....it's about a family experiencing nature in the Sierras, doing the "John Muir" thing and "recharging" in the mountains. It's just that they are doing that while running the Rubicon.

I don't want to TELL the audience about the Rubicon....I want to SHOW them if that makes sense. I want to show them what wheeling the Rubicon is REALLy all about...

My idea was to shoot it in the same format and way as Ron Kauk's "Return to Balance" video that was played on PBS, but with showing the beauty of the Rubicon and the surrounding area.

Here's kind of an idea with a short clip of Ron's video. Start watching at 1:30 and substitute "Climbing" for "Rock-crawling" in his words.

https://vimeo.com/4737056

BUT: I could never make it happen. Only Del and Kevin Carey knew about this project until now... Figured I would post it up in public since it's stalled.
 
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