[Lap Kitty :)]

In particular swapping in a 4A-C into a 1985 Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon, with a 6 speed manual tranny (if you count EL as a gear). I’ve been driving mine for about 2 years now. I bought it when I was going to start my SAS on my mini, but that’s been on the shelf forever now. I love this little waggy.

Anyway, the valve stem seals are getting bad on the current 3A-C. It smokes a bit at start up, but runs fine once it’s warm. I put a new timing belt on it about 20k miles ago and everything else seemed ok.

From the research I’ve done, the 4A-C is pretty much a 3A-C with a larger bore and longer stroke. The 3A-C is a 1.5 engine, and the 4A-C is a 1.6. It also puts out about 20 t0 25 more horse, which might not seem like much, but you have to figure that the 3A-C only puts out about 62.

Anybody have any idea if I can order a short block and use my existing carburetor and exhaust manifold etc?

Know anybody who’s done this?

Thanks.

 

[mondtster]

Hey, I have a 4ac in my AE86 Toyota Corolla. It is a good motor, but they don't make tons of horsepower. If you want to know more about this motor I would suggest going to www.club4ag.com. They are into the Corollas and stuff, which the SR5 corollas had the 4ac in them. If you are going to do a swap like that, I would suggest looking into putting a 4age in it or a 4agze (supercharged) in it instead. They make more power than the 4ac does and have pretty good power potential. The only thing about the 4age though is that the bellhousing bolt pattern is different so you would need to find a different bellhousing for your tranny. Paradise racing sells smog legal carb upgrades for the 4ac as well which might be something you are interested in too.

Hope this helps you get going in the direction you are looking for.
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[Lap Kitty :)]

Hey, I have a 4ac in my AE86 Toyota Corolla. It is a good motor, but they don't make tons of horsepower. If you want to know more about this motor I would suggest going to www.club4ag.com. They are into the Corollas and stuff, which the SR5 corollas had the 4ac in them. If you are going to do a swap like that, I would suggest looking into putting a 4age in it or a 4agze (supercharged) in it instead. They make more power than the 4ac does and have pretty good power potential. The only thing about the 4age though is that the bellhousing bolt pattern is different so you would need to find a different bellhousing for your tranny. Paradise racing sells smog legal carb upgrades for the 4ac as well which might be something you are interested in too.

Hope this helps you get going in the direction you are looking for.

Yeah, the 4A-GE would be a lot harder to do than the 4A-C, everything is on the oppsite side of the engine too. From what I can gather, the 4A-C should be a pretty easy swap. I'm looking for cheap and easy right now.

I didn't know about that carb that Paradise racing makes, I'll be sure to look into that.

I'm trying to find out for sure if I have the same rear axle as an AE86, I could pull the LSD out of the SR5 version, if I can still find one. Hell, maybe do a rear disk brake conversion too.

The brakes on this car are pretty weak. You know how it goes, you start one thing, and it just snowballs from there.

Thanks for the ideas.

 

[mondtster]

Actually, the SR5 rear axle is different from the GTS rear axle in the AE86. The SR5's did not have LSD and you can't use the SR5 rear axles with the GTS LSD. There are aftermarket manufacturers of LSD's for the AE86 (such as TRD, CUSCO, KAAZ), but they are meant for the GTS version rear axle. The GTS has larger bearings and different axles and stuff in them which are non interchangable. The disc brakes also were only available on the GTS and will only work on the GTS rear axle too. So basically if you figure out if you can use an AE86 rear axle get the GTS rear axle so you can get LSD and the disc brakes.
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[Lap Kitty :)]

There's no rear disc brake conversion for the SR5 AE86 axle then?

 

[mondtster]

None that I know of. Everyone drifting ae86's is using stock GTS brakes, and from everything that I have read they will not work on the SR5 rear ends because of the bearing differences and such. There might be a way to build a some parts to retrofit discs on the SR5 rear axles, but I haven't run across anyone who has done it. I really haven't looked too hard though either. The Austrailian (SP?) AE86's didn't ever come with discs on them, and those guys over there are pretty crazy about fabricating stuff so I bet if you search hard enough one of those guys may have done something along those lines. But they also have different cars to choose parts from too, so you may be on your own for figuring out what to use for parts in some form of kit.

You might also want to check out the early '80's celica supra rear axles. They should be about the same as the ae86's, and maybe be more available? Just an idea....
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[Lap Kitty :)]

You might also want to check out the early '80's celica supra rear axles. They should be about the same as the ae86's, and maybe be more available? Just an idea....

Noted on the Supra axles.

Holy cow. I just found Brembo rotors for the front, for $23 bucks from Tirerack.com!

They're not slotted, but still have to be an improvment over the stockers.

Pads are $68 bucks though. I could probably find cheaper.

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/resu...=premium&perfcat=perf&perfcat=track&x=109&y=5

 

[mondtster]

there have been a lot of slotted and drilled rotors for sale up on ebay lately at least for ae86's, maybe you can find something there for your project. They seem to be at a pretty good price too.
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Aprilia RS250

 

[Lap Kitty :)]

Really old picture of it the day I brought it home.

Since then I've rattle canned the rims rally gray. Put Monroe shocks on it, new rear axle bearings. New brake pads, CD player sub woofer, driving lights. It's a cool freakish car. I like it anyway.

 

[mondtster]

lol, I just worked on one of those the other day too at work. That one still looks pretty nice too!

I love old school japanese cars because they are so uniquely styled as compared to American cars. Also, the import tuner scene is a lot older than most people think, there are just a lot of guys ruining the image of them now days.
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[Lap Kitty :)]

Thing's loaded, power sunroof too! Yeah, for being a Minnesota car, it's in mint condition.

Well, at least it was. I broke/bent a lower control arm in the front jumping though some snow, but other than that, it's been a great car. Thing goes like hell though the snow, albeit sorta slow.

I take it on all sorts of fire roads down here in Florida. The narrow tires sink in, but it keeps right on going.

Some of the paint is peeling on the driver side rear quarter panel, so I'm going to have to sand it down and paint it. Not bad for 20 year old paint though.

 

[Lowtorious]

I've wondered this for a while:
What's the possiblity of bolting a 4WD Toyota truck transmission to the 1.6L FI motor in my '90 Geo Prizm hatchback (non GSI, auto trans)? What's the engine code?

 

[72rockcruiser]

I've wondered this for a while:
What's the possiblity of bolting a 4WD Toyota truck transmission to the 1.6L FI motor in my '90 Geo Prizm hatchback (non GSI, auto trans)? What's the engine code?

4AFE IIRC. Dont think tranny will work.

Mondster, I dig old school imports too, I had an 87 Corolla GTS coupe that i bought with 69k on it in 1999. It was immaculate! It had every option on it including a LSD so tight it would bark the tires in sharp corners! I drove the shit outta that car!
That was the funnest car i have ever owned! I WILL have another someday! Some young girl lost control of her big ass ford, crossed the median and hit me doing about 55, completely totaled the Corolla, I was damn pissed! Sorry bout the hijack, Kyle

 

[Lowtorious]

Damn, how about a Zuk trans?

 

[Lap Kitty :)]

4AFE IIRC. Dont think tranny will work.

That's what my wifes 1997 Corolla has in it, same thing as the Prizm. There just isn't a whole lot of room to work with in a FWD car.

I don't think it'd work either.

Just thought of this:
How about the head off a 4A-GE on a 4A-C?

 

[mondtster]

there are people doing the 4ag head on the 4ac shortblock. Once again, check on club4ag.com to find out exact information about doing it. I'm not exactly sure what all is involved. If you really wanted to get creative, you could get one of the 7afe cranks or the HKS 5age stroker crank and give it some good low end torque for off roading. But in my opinion that would kind of defeat the best characteristic of the 4age which was its ability to rev well. Oh well, just an idea...

On the topic of AE86's, those cars are some of the coolest cars and most fun cars to own around! Unfortunately I live in the midwest so mine is kind of rusty. Of course the drifting craze is setting in in the US too, so prices for good condition ae86's are getting extremely high too. If only hollywood would have never made the fast and furious movies it still might have been cool to own an import tuner car. At least the ae86 has the great old school import look rather than the newer "ricer" look so hopefully there won't be any mistaking an ae86 for a ricer. Oh well, this is a 4x4 board, not an import board so I will shut up now!
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[StinkBug]

Hell yeah, my grandparents used to have a 4wd tercell wagon. That thing ruled. Had a little 4wd shifter about the size of a turn signal switch between the seats, too funny. After about 10 years and close to 300k miles they finally sold it, but still complain that neither of the cars they've had since then get near the mileage or reliabilty.

Dallas