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Ok, I know it's been talked about before, could'nt find what I wanted to know...

The way I have my shackle reversal up front would allow me to easily buggy it. I know it would be a nightmare on the street, so pinning it up is not a problem either. I want to know if I buggy a SR front, will flex, traction etc be there? It's a 44 up there SOA on 38's. Whaddayathink?
 

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I used MORES SR and buggy leaf system on my 72 cj5. I am soa on 35's. I am not sure how it drives yet but as of this time I don't think it was worth it. The buggy leaf they sent seems to be way to stiff and it really complicated my motor swap because of the bracketry. Hopefully my opinion will change once I drive on it but I would say it is up to u. Just my .02
 

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I have the MORE revesal and buggy on my YJ SOA with a 44 and 38's. I love it. It flexes great and drives like a dream down the road. Sure there is a little brake dive but I just crank the 9000's up to 4 or 5 and its fine.

Oh yeah, Loppy where in Rancho do you work???? I
 

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Loppy I've been running basically the same thing as u, i just took an old spring cut it 1/2 attached a shackel and Ubolted the spring to the cj5 frame.
Originally i did this so i could reposition the shackel on the frame untill i found an angle i liked, that was 2 years ago. since then i welded the cut end of the spring to the bottom of the frame and the ubolts are placed next to the shackle, it would be very easiy to move Ubolts and allow shacle to 3/4 pull away from frame.


ps. i'm selling all my ct70s and parts if ya need something let me know.


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I'm suprised Bob hasn't piped up to tell you not to even think about it.

Well anyway Do it. I was able to move my front axle forward a few inches. Longer wheelbase and better approach angle, Is good enough reason for me.

Shackle reversals are supposed to improve the onroad ride of the vehicle but I wouldn't know because my Jeep hasn't been driven yet with the swap <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I also have the buggy leafs that are waiting to get tested.
Many people say they aren't worht the trouble.
I figured that if I limited the length of the buggy leaf to keep it from drooping too far it would atleast drop away enough for a little bit extra droop and I guess the leaf would twis a liitle as it drooped alowing the axle to rotate a little to reduce spring and shackle binding, kinda like the hinged spring perches people have posted about recently.
 

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Originally posted by Supertoad:
<STRONG>I'm suprised Bob hasn't piped up to tell you not to even think about it.

Well anyway Do it. I was able to move my front axle forward a few inches. Longer wheelbase and better approach angle, Is good enough reason for me.

Shackle reversals are supposed to improve the onroad ride of the vehicle but I wouldn't know because my Jeep hasn't been driven yet with the swap <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I also have the buggy leafs that are waiting to get tested.
Many people say they aren't worht the trouble.
I figured that if I limited the length of the buggy leaf to keep it from drooping too far it would atleast drop away enough for a little bit extra droop and I guess the leaf would twis a liitle as it drooped alowing the axle to rotate a little to reduce spring and shackle binding, kinda like the hinged spring perches people have posted about recently.</STRONG>

Exactly, I didnt go buggy because of the extra 8" of droop. I like the easy way of mounting the shackle and the less stress on everything. Mine pulls away from the frame about 2" at full droop. Have never had any problems with it at all.
 

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Originally posted by The Rockslut:
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Exactly, I didnt go buggy because of the extra 8" of droop. I like the easy way of mounting the shackle and the less stress on everything. Mine pulls away from the frame about 2" at full droop. Have never had any problems with it at all.</STRONG>

you did or didn't go buggy. your post above says you have the MORE buggy ?? i'm constused ?? <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">
 

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please keep in mind this was a 2am temp setup using parts laying around the shop.

<IMG width=640 height=480 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/shackel.jpg">
 

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BTT for more info. Good post Lop. Exactly how much travel is too much travel. If I limit the drop of the buggy to 2-4" is that too much, or what?

Real world experiences here would help. There has been discussion that the axle will walk out from under the rig in reverse. Comments?
 

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Yep I've seen this on the rear of billy bobs jeep when backing off of obstacles.

Seeing this I decided to use a longer spring pack longer shackles to accomidate for the longer springs. Decided to use a shorter/same length as M.O.R.Es buggy leaf.
I am running the springs outboard the frame rails. This made it easy to lockout the buggy if needed, by drilling a hole and bolting the buggy leaf down.
I don't thing the Buggy leaf in my case will drop too much But it will relieve binding and allow the shackle to twist in the direction the spring pack wants to go.

I am using stock replacement XJ springs from JC whitney on all 4 corners of my heep.
 

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Both my front and rear look like Brians almost to the T. My rear has about 6" of buggy and the front's bolted tight right up against the eye, so no buggy action there. But I still don't have a clear answer to my question.

On my front, I can EASILY (litterally by sliding my ubolts up the frame) give myself up to a 2' buggy spring off my front reverse shackle. I've already got 28" of travel on a travelmaster shaft, so that's not a problem. How would that wheel?

I dont care about the rear. It's good to go. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I heard that about your rear Lop <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> I wanna hear more about the walk away Allen brought up???
 

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I am running buggy leaves up front and i will tell you ,they allow the springs to twist more and droop more but when the front end un load as in hill climbing it causes the pinion to dive which can knuckle the front drive shaft and break the joint.the extra travel is not worth trouble.you can look at mine on my website under project fj
 

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I have buggies front and back. I had to build a traction bar to control rear axle wrap. In the front I can get wheel hop so bad that the shackles actually flip to the inside of the frame. I get gret droop with the buggies but they do have their problems also. It all a matter of what you want to do. You can put them on and then take them back off, it's really easy to do.

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Oh yeah, Loppy where in Rancho do you work???? I[/QB]
Off Zinfandel. In the red brick Zuirch building across the street from Lyons on White Rock. Email me if ya need something or wanna get a <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 
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