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Okay i went to the junk yard today and now i have a few questions.
(couldnt find answers by searching)

First off, I am looking for a rear FF axle for my SOA Flatfender running either 36 or 38" tires. I am going full width.

Right now i have a D44 for the rear but I know I will break it with +36" tires.

Now on to the questions:

14 Bolt FF axle
The guy wants $275 for it complete (after i talked him down $125). Is it worth it? (everything is expensive here in NM)

How much $ could i get if I sold the 4.10 R&P from it?

One 14 bolt i looked at had thicker lugs than the other 14 bolt. Are the lugs changeable to smaller lugs so that a standard 8 lug 15 or 16 inch rim would fit?

Will a 15" wheel fit on the axle with the big drum brakes with or without any backspacing?

Dana 60
Is it worth me spending $275 (assuming it has 30 or 35 splines)

Detroit locker options? what do they make for it spline wise?

How much $ could i get by selling the 3.73 R&P and the l/s?

Dana 70
Again is it worth me spending $275 on?

how do I positive ID it?

gearing choices? are 5.13 or 5.38's made for it?

Detroit locker option?

Can i fit 15" wheels on the big drum brakes?

also how much $ could I get for the 4.10 r&p?

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Out of these 3 choices, what should i go with if I decide to spend that much? I will be regearing it to 5.13 or 5.38 and putting a detroit locker in it.

Lastly, I would sell my rear 44. It is out of a j10 and has a l/s and nodular housing. How much $ could i get for the complete 44?

Thanks for your help.
 

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Come awn! I know there are tons of people here who know more about these axles than I do. Please help me!
 

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I would buy the 14bolt. $125 for it is a good deal, period. The advantages to this axle over the D60&D70 are that it has a pinion support bearing, and 1 5/8" shafts instead of 1.5". Also the detroits for it are wayyy cheaper because they dont replace the whole carrier, they are X-pin style and easy to install yourself. Buy it, take it to a local autoshop, and get them to change the seals and bearings, and put new gears in it, then buy the detroit and put it in yourself. You will NEVER break it if you only run 38's.

Good luck...
 

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i agree with the 14bolt. not only will you save $150 with getting it but you'll also save $200 when buying a detroit. lets see save $350 and that'll buy a set of 15x10" 8lug steel wheels.....

get the 14bolt and shave the bottom lip from the housing. this will eliminate alot of the ground clearance issues with the 14bolt. just make sure you grind the bottom of the diff cover down too so it isn't hanging below the diff (rocks like to grab them when you don't grind them down). also for the diff cover they don't make a stock thick diff cover for the 14's like they do the danas, so get some metal and form it and weld it onto you stock diff cover. if you look at the green blazer in this year's ttc (four wheeler magazine) you can see how he did his. it looks very simular to how i did mine. good luck!

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: high5 ]
 

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oh yeah and about the 14bolt lugs, are you sure the lugs are different and not the lug nuts? i know you probably know what you are talking about but when i bought my dually 14bolt (i have the 62" wide cab and chassis version) it had huge lug nuts compared to a single rear wheel 14. the lugs were the same however.
 

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they were each 275 read fkrs.i would consider the ground clearance. a 14 bolt is an anchor a 70 surely has the 1.50 35 spline shafts where as the 60 could be 30 spline or worse.the danas should be stamped in the housing what they are and the 14 bolt has um 14 bolts.I would get the 70
 

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oops! i thought it said talked him down to $125. oh well skip the 60 cause i doubt it is a 35spline version and get either the 14 or the 70. yes the 14 hangs down further but if you shave the bottom it should'nt be any worse than a 70. dana 70 detroit is still $200 more than the 14bolt detroit but then again i'd probably just weld the 70.
 

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another option is to look some more. if 5.13's are a good ratio for you then keep looking. i know where there is a d70 with 5.13's in it right now in a j/yard. maybe you can find one with gears you want already in it. then you just have to weld it up and go no $$$ for gears and install kits. you might not be able to find one but doesn't hurt to look alittle longer. just an idea.
 

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what about an eaton they have a 12in ring gear the one im getting has 5.13 and i know where there are 2 more about 100.00 each <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by trlhound1:
<STRONG>what about an eaton they have a 12in ring gear the one im getting has 5.13 and i know where there are 2 more about 100.00 each <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Actually they have 12.25" ring gear and 1.55" shafts - and your ratio is 5.14 <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Plus the Eaton's had a detroit option from like 69-72.
 

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Plus the Eatons have coarse spline axle shafts that like to break, and you can no longer get new Detroit lockers for them.
 

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Originally posted by high5:
<STRONG>oh yeah and about the 14bolt lugs, are you sure the lugs are different and not the lug nuts? i know you probably know what you are talking about but when i bought my dually 14bolt (i have the 62" wide cab and chassis version) it had huge lug nuts compared to a single rear wheel 14. the lugs were the same however.</STRONG>
Thanks for all your replies and yes it is $275 per axle

I had my tape measure with me and the lugs were about a 1/16" to an 1/8" thicker than the other 14 bolt. The lug nut slipped right over the lugs on the other 14 bolt. I guess I could drill the wheels if needed or i could switch between the two axles at the yard.

Okay, i still need to know a few things. Will a 15" wheel fit onto the big drum brakes of the 14 bolt? Any backspacing needed? Could I get $200 for my rear 44 (64-65" wms-wms, nodular housing and stock l/s) if I found the right person? Thanks.

[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: Brian1 ]
 
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