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I don't know if any of you have gotten an email from the USFS but it's bad. I just recieved a proposed plan outlining the closure of many trails at Tellico. Examples:

1) Schoolbus GONE
2) Slickrock GONE
3) Lower 2 GONE
4) If Helicopter Pad bypass cannot be successfully bypassed... GONE
5) The Ledge at Peckerwood GONE

Plus they will have closures after heavy rain events with the usual annual closure for the winter months. There will be an open house on June 28 from 1-4 PM at the First Baptist Church 517 Hiwassee Street in Murphy. I suggest that everyone who can, ATTEND!!!!
 

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What is SFWDA plan to do about this and how does the pending lawsuit affect this proposal? Basically if this proposal goes through you might as well close the damn place.
 

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What is SFWDA plan to do about this and how does the pending lawsuit affect this proposal? Basically if this proposal goes through you might as well close the damn place.
I hate to say it but I agree. They're essentially turning one of the best in east into an Unlimited and Hummer park :shaking:
 

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:mad3: Will they accept written comments prior to the open house? When is the transition from "proposed" to Final?

I've already shared my thoughts on the USFS website. http://www.fs.fed.us/ Click on "Contact Us" for a feedback form.



Anybody up for a carpool to Murphy on June 28?
 

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this MUST be fought tooth and nail.
please provide an address for us out of towners. I will certainly send more letters.
 

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Well, what really brings the suck is that they are upholding their end of the bargain by providing an OHV area. It'll be the laughing stock of all OHVs but it's still one and more than likely will cover them on the use policy.

The whole tone of the proposed plan is what bothers me. One paragraph will seem like they want to help but the next will act like the whole park is doomed and will be shut down. Then they go on to claim they don't have the resources despite countless hours by SFWDA and other groups.

This whole thing stinks. If I had to bet, I'd say the District Ranger doesn't want us there.
 

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If this shit comes to pass the day before the closure I'm going to bolt on 54 boggers and run every trail there in 2wd turning 6 grand. At least then they'll have some real work to do. Fuckers
 

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what i dont get is in the letter it states that some of the trails would cost to much to fix so they are just going to close them. it doesnt say how much. i think they should find out how much it would cost. before saying it is not worth it. i think trail 9 and trail 2 would be worth the money.
 

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I don't even think money is the issue but rather an excuse. If they said "we will keep every trail open but we have to raise "X" amount of money each year" I guarantee you we would raise it in a heart beat. They just don't give enough of a shit to try.
 

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I feel bad for you guys.. I've never visited Tellico, but grew up on the East Coast and understand the Off-Road issues.. Anything else we can do on the West Coast to assist? The worst part is we have two Socialist Senators in California who are trying to close everything that's not privately owned also..
 

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The TU people are getting exactly what they want. I really have no desire to drive 12 hours to go down there to run in 2wd all weekend. Regardless, email will be sent.
 

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Over five miles of
the 15.5 mile reduction in the proposed system are simply due to a status change to what is
now known as Trail 1 (a.k.a. Davis Creek Rd. or Tipton Creek Rd.). It would be improved to
become suitable only for street-legal vehicles.
I called this as soon as I saw the bridge on Trail 5, That bridge is way bigger than any 4wd would need, they just got us to supply them a bridge so they will have less work when they pave trail 5 too.
 

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tellico

this may be a dumb thought but it could be, and i may just be pissed.:mad3:

If we all give up and they do close the trails with that new bridge just how long till the gov sales the "useless" land to subdivsions, just how much tax money rasing homes can you but in that much acrage. I know most of you are west cost, I don't know how it is there, but they are cutting the piss out of the mountians here for people from other places just to build 2nd homes that don't even get used half the year. I've seen them sell local wildlife lands that have turned in to subdivsions and they don't care cause they made the money from the sale and the money from the taxes.
 

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My suggestions from thousands of miles away:

Ok, I am not there and I do not know who is doing what on the ground in Tellico, but Nick, here is what I suggest for the grass-roots folks:

1. I *think* this is the scoping period. They have to go thru the NEPA process and I *think* do a whole EIS (Enviromental Impact Study) I suggest that you local guys start reading the threads in the regular LU forum on the Eldorado National Forest route designation/travel management fiasco and research what we did there. If the process is the same (and it should be), they NEED to get public input.

They are going to come up with several alternative maps (plans) for Tellico and pick one...

2. I found this in going thru the literature:

As it exists today, the OHV System cannot be maintained adequately so as to limit future edimentation. The money and people available to do the maintenance are severely limited. While current user fees and volunteer efforts make an important contribution, they do not meet the current or projected need. The resources to do the work must increase dramatically, the long term maintenance requirements must decrease dramatically, or some combination of both must occur to financially maintain the Upper Tellico OHV System. I will be weighing each alternative OHV system in light of how likely it is that we will be able to maintain it in future years.

There are basically saying they cannot afford to do the work to keep the trails open,

I HIGHLY suggest forming a "Friends of" group simular to what we have out here for many different areas and trails. (FOTR, FOE, FOG, FOF etc...)Basically it would be forming a group volunteers to work with the FS in order to keep trails open. I THOUGHT a few clubs out there did that, but one large group making a strong effort may lend some hope.

Even though John Stewart is from Cal4, maybe we can ask his opinion on this since the guy knows his stuff....
 

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1. A one-year closure of Lower Trail 2 (from the intersection with Road 420 west to Road 402), Trail 7, a portion of Trail 8 (from the intersection with Trail 9 to the intersection with Trail 10A), and Trail 9 in the Upper Tellico OHV area which prohibits operating motor vehicles on these trails during the closure period and sets penalties for violating the provisions of this Order.
I wonder what happened to the whole not to exceed one year closure thing?
 
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