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Somebody on ebay was selling a front axle out of an 84 CJ5. But he told me all CJ5s were narrow track regardless of year. Isthis true?
 

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The frame has nothing to do with the WMS to WMS. All CJ5s are indeed narrow track. Wide track didn't come into play until 1982 and that was only on CJ7's and CJ8's.

What I would worry about is the fact that he said it came out of an '84 CJ5, when we all know that the last year of production for the CJ5 was 1983.
 

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Early CJ5's were 48.44 and the Ramblers were 51.5. This is quite a bit of difference. While it is true he bolt can bolt it up. It would be 3" wider.
I always thought the term "wide track" started in 76 when the rear frame was widened and the springs were moved outward. Therefore, not all CJ5's are narrow track.
'41 to 45 Jeep MB: 48.25"
'46 up CJ-2A, CJ-3A : 48.25"
'49-65 Jeep Utility Wagon: 57"
'49 Willys Jeepster 2WD 57"
'52 up CJ-3B: 48.44"
'52 M-38A 49.19" (Military width)
'54-71 CJ-5 48.44" (so called early-
'55-75 CJ-6 48.44" narrow axle)
'47-65 Pickup (the classic) frnt-56" rr-63.5"
'63-69 J-200, J-2000 65.5"
'63-69 J-300, J-3800 65.75"
'70- 72, Gladiator J-2000 frnt-63.5" rr-63.81"
'70- 72, Gladiator J-4000 frnt-63.8" rr-64.38"
'73 J-2500 frnt-63.5" rr-63.8"
'73 all other J trucks frnt-63.9" rr-64.4"
'74-75 J-10 frnt-62.9" rr-63.8"
'76-87 J-10 frnt-63.3" rr-63.8"
'74-75 J-20 frnt-62.9" rr-64.4"
with disc brakes: frnt-63.0" rr-64.4"
'76-84 J-20 frnt-64.9" rr-65.9"
'63-72 Wagoneer 57"
'73 Wagoneer frnt-57.3" rr-57.5"
'74-75 Wagoneer frnt-59" rr-57.5"
'74-75 Cherokee (full size) frnt-58.8' rr-57.5"
'76-91 Wagoneer, '80+ Cher frnt-59.4" rr-57.8"
'76-79 Cherokee (full size) frnt-59.2" rr-57.8"
'76-78 Cherokee S frnt-59.5" rr-58.5"
'76-80 Cherokee Chief 2 dr. frnt-65.4" rr-62.3"
'81-83 Cherokee Chief 2 dr. frnt-65.3" rr-62.3"
'67-71 Jeepster C-101 50"
'72-73 Commando C-104 frnt-51.5" rr-50"
'72-83 CJ-5, frnt-51.5" rr-50" (so called-
'76-81CJ-7(some '81CJ8's) frnt-51.5" rr-50" narrow axle)
'82-86 CJ-7 frnt-55.8" rr-55" (so called-
'81-85 Scrambler, CJ-8 frnt-55.8" rr-55" wide axle )
'84-87, 93 up Cherokee XJ 58"
'88-92 Cherokee XJ 57"
'86-92 Comanche, 57"
'87 up Wrangler, YJ 58"
'93 up Grand Cherokee, ZJ 58"
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zoom63 said:
now I am really confused.

Don't let Mr. Silly snow you under with all the irrelevant data. :shaking:


On CJ's the front D30's were all "narrow track" until the 1982 model year.
Starting in 1982 the CJ7's and CJ8's went to a "wide track" D30.

narrow track D30 = 53"
wide track D30 = 56"

The CJ5's all stayed at 53" width.
 

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You really are an idiot. The proof is right there in front of you. Why don't you come here to my house and measure my 44 19 spline.
It's clear you know as little about Jeeps as you do everything else you blabber on about.
'54-71 CJ-5 48.44" (so called early-
'55-75 CJ-6 48.44" narrow axle)
What you are saying is that when CJ7's got wider axles it was called wide trac, but when CJ5's got wider they weren't! I will agree this might be a common mistake by those how haven't been around jeeps long. All 5's were not the same.
SanDiegoCJ said:
The CJ5's all stayed at 53" width.
 

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MrWillys said:
You really are an idiot. The proof is right there in front of you. Why don't you come here to my house and measure my 44 19 spline.
It's clear you know as little about Jeeps as you do everything else you blabber on about.
'54-71 CJ-5 48.44" (so called early-
'55-75 CJ-6 48.44" narrow axle)
What you are saying is that when CJ7's got wider axles it was called wide trac, but when CJ5's got wider they weren't! I will agree this might be a common mistake by those how haven't been around jeeps long. All 5's were not the same.

Listen up moron. The axle he's thinking of buying is from a 1984 CJ5, so who fawking
cares what's in CJ's from '54 - '75 ? That's the "irrelevant data" I was talking about.
Why don't you try and offer info that can help the guy next time instead of
spewing out 10 tons of crap. :shaking:
 

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SanDiegoCJ said:
Listen up moron. The axle he's thinking of buying is from a 1984 CJ5, so who fawking
cares what's in CJ's from '54 - '75 ? That's the "irrelevant data" I was talking about.
Why don't you try and offer info that can help the guy next time instead of
spewing out 10 tons of crap. :shaking:
First off, there is no such thing as an 84 CJ-5.
I believe the last year was 83 for the "5".
Mine is a 1982 CJ-5 with WIDE TRACK axles.
The WMS to WMS does in fact change about '79. I was able to use a rear D44 out of a late 70s pickup truck. It had the same WMS to WMS
I just had to change the spring perches. It was nicely geared at 4.27.

My local gurus wisely told me to stay wide track. Several locals have put in wide track axles in thier "narrow track" CJ without much ado, just weld new spring perches on the wide track axle. Currie does that for about $100.
Wide track gives a little more stability so it is not so tippy
 

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SanDiegoCJ said:
Listen up moron. The axle he's thinking of buying is from a 1984 CJ5, so who fawking
cares what's in CJ's from '54 - '75 ? That's the "irrelevant data" I was talking about.
Why don't you try and offer info that can help the guy next time instead of
spewing out 10 tons of crap. :shaking:
So dumbass, is that like the other thread where you told the guy he could bolt in a rear axle from anything from 72 to 79. Everyone knows that spring perches became widetrac in 1976. You don't know shit about Jeeps. If you want to refer to wide track as one thing, that still doesn't change the fact that CJ5 axles did get wider. Go ahead and live in a Rambler world, but leave the real Jeep knowledge to those of us that were into Jeeps when these changes did take place. not some yuppie ass fawk who needed a hobby.
SanDiegoCJ said:
Look for the D30/D44 axle combo from a 1972 - 1979 CJ. They're the closest to
being "bolt-in". You will have to change the T-case though because the rear
axle pumpkin is centered. Another rear axle possibility that's offset is the D44
from a 1970 1/2 - 1971 CJ5. It was offset with a 30 spline flanged axle.
Definitely stronger than the D41 you have
 

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MrWillys said:
So dumbass, is that like the other thread where you told the guy he could bolt in a rear axle from anything from 72 to 79. Everyone knows that spring perches became widetrac in 1976. You don't know shit about Jeeps. If you want to refer to wide track as one thing, that still doesn't change the fact that CJ5 axles did get wider. Go ahead and live in a Rambler world, but leave the real Jeep knowledge to those of us that were into Jeeps when these changes did take place. not some yuppie ass fawk who needed a hobby.

You really are fucking stupid. :shaking: I said "they're the CLOSEST to bolt in.
I NEVER said they'd "bolt right up". :rolleyes:
Why don't you go back to rimming Kerry, you seem expert at that.
 

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The frame has nothing to do with the WMS to WMS. All CJ5s are indeed narrow track. Wide track didn't come into play until 1982 and that was only on CJ7's and CJ8's.

What I would worry about is the fact that he said it came out of an '84 CJ5, when we all know that the last year of production for the CJ5 was 1983.
Skip has it right (as usual;) ) The first thing you need to determine is if it is an '84 front axle or a CJ-5 front axle. It can't be both. Wide track and Narrow track refers to the with of the axle from WMS to WMS, not the width of the spring perches (which only changed on the rear axle not the front).
 

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MrWillys said:
What you are saying is that when CJ7's got wider axles it was called wide trac, but when CJ5's got wider they weren't!
That's precisely right! Wide track was a term not used until Jeep decided that a wider stance was needed to help with stability. It's purely a result of bad publicity they received from the media in the early 1980's.

None of this existed in the early CJ world and is not the term used to define the difference in width between a Dana 27 and a Dana 30.

In addition, the axle width did not change in 1976 just because the spring perches in the rear (front distance did not change) became further apart.

If pre'72 signifies "real" Jeep knowledge you ought to stay the f$%k out of answering '72 and up questions.

From the track widths you posted:
'72-83 CJ-5, frnt-51.5" rr-50" (so called-
'76-81CJ-7(some '81CJ8's) frnt-51.5" rr-50" narrow axle)
'82-86 CJ-7 frnt-55.8" rr-55" (so called-
'81-85 Scrambler, CJ-8 frnt-55.8" rr-55" wide axle )
Notice that the 72-83 CJ5 and '76-81 have the label "so called narrow axle" and the '82-86 CJ7 and '81-85 Scrambler have the label "so called wide axle". It's right there in your own freakin' post!
 

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o.k. I found a rear dana 44, out of an 86 CJ7. I am going to move the perches in prep for a soa conversion. Now I will try to find a dana 30 front from about the same year CJ and do the same. Hopefully that will give me enough lift to clear my 33s, and enough width for stability. I have a 77 CJ5 that is my daily driver, and will do some light trail riding when I get the tires off of my fenders . Thanks for the help.
 

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Spring over is overkill to clear 33's. Stick with a quality 4" spring under suspension lift and avoid the pitfalls of SOA done poorly or on the cheap.
 

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I thought spring over was the way to go from reading this bulletin board. It wouldnt be done poorly. I am new to Jeeps, but have many years experience building race cars. I want to lift it the best way, and still be very driveable on the street. Doing it cheaply is a concern though.
 
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