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To all persons on this b/b and persons who know TinBender socially and thru his talents as a fabricator.
I understand 'bender is being given a rash of shit due to my asking for a lil' help on the death wobble.
It is true that while TinBender did take the time to do what he could with what he had, due to circumstances that I could not control (parts houses send wrong parts and fawked up people who could care less about the parts one orders)so we could wheel at Frostoberfest.
It is NOT TRUE that TinBender produces a shoddy product. I'll take a product that is manufactured by TinBender over any product on the market. I have been using 'benders' custom fab'ed products ever since I have been associated with Rob and Krusty, and thats about 8 years. They have saved my ass for many a 4X trip. I am sure all the other 'benders feel the same about Rob's talents.
So my asking for a lil' help and advice was wrong due to the job not completed and thus questions of TinBenders'work quality,know how, and ethnics came under fire. My apology....
 

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I dont think that you should have to apoligize for asking for help. I read your other post. And granted he did all the work for free, and says you didnt have all the right parts, I still think if your a fabricator it doesnt take much to SAS a truck fast and safe. Not having the money to buy the All Pro through the frame kit, as an excuse to go under the frame, thus screwing up your caster, being a fabricator I wouldnt advice anyone to spend the amount of money on something that is easily fabed. And for not running shocks up front, after I did my SAS I ran without shocks for a couple weeks, no problem just a little bouncy. As a fabricator you take in acount setting up the caster to stock spec. as I did droping the front hanger 1 1/2" knowing I was going to use a 5 1/2" shackle through the frame, thus puting my caster angle at about stock. Not much diffuclty in making it safe while being fast. And as the springs being different hieghts, I dont really see this causing a death wobble. I dont know Tinbender and his work. And am not making any judments except for those facts precented. Not that I would call myself an experienced "fabricator", I'm just a dumb shit with tools and a grinder, just my .02. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: GRABBER ]
 

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Thanks ART....

Grabber, Just like you said, you dont know me... And you don't know all the "FACTS"...
Artz SAS was still being install'd not only the night before Frostoberfest, but in the parking lot where we all gather the morning of the run....

The Hammers is only about 100 miles from were we live, and the truck drove fine, down and back, as well as worked Flawless at the Hammers. True the truck is not safe to drive now, but at the time of the run, it drove fine...

Now, because we didn't have the right bushings, the shackle mount is made from jeep bushings which are much larger then Toys.. That is why I didn't go through the frame.. You wouldn't want the wrong size bushings and mount installed in your frame for life would you?

If you were planning a frame under mount then the front mount could be made longer to correct caster, but that wasn't the case.
 

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I had no questions about Bender's work. I've seen too many web pics and some of his work in person, I know he puts out a good product. You did ask the question about death wobble, and I replied based on what I had seen at FrostOberfest. Once you get the SAS finished, then it's time to worry about the wobble. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">.
 

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I never once questioned the work that the "Bender" did on your rig. After he explained what he had to work with and what he did I understood why you were having problems. When you get all the right parts on it you will see a world of difference. Sorry if it sounded like I was knocking the work. <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by Tin Bender:
<STRONG>Thanks ART....

Grabber, Just like you said, you dont know me... And you don't know all the "FACTS"...
Artz SAS was still being install'd not only the night before Frostoberfest, but in the parking lot where we all gather the morning of the run....

The Hammers is only about 100 miles from were we live, and the truck drove fine, down and back, as well as worked Flawless at the Hammers. True the truck is not safe to drive now, but at the time of the run, it drove fine...

Now, because we didn't have the right bushings, the shackle mount is made from jeep bushings which are much larger then Toys.. That is why I didn't go through the frame.. You wouldn't want the wrong size bushings and mount installed in your frame for life would you?

If you were planning a frame under mount then the front mount could be made longer to correct caster, but that wasn't the case.</STRONG>
TinBender, that explains a lot. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> It's nice to have all the facts. I pictured this SAS happening at a shop with everything at your exposal. So it did not make much since to me, know it does. I was surprised to here what I did, because I have heard excellent things about your work. Thanks for explaining in more detail, and I retract anything that may have seemed negative about your work. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by GRABBER:
<STRONG>TinBender, that explains a lot. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> It's nice to have all the facts. I pictured this SAS happening at a shop with everything at your exposal. So it did not make much since to me, know it does. I was surprised to here what I did, because I have heard excellent things about your work. Thanks for explaining in more detail, and I retract anything that may have seemed negative about your work. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

No biggie.... And Thanks..

I'm sorry if I seem to "jump off", but when you have a shop that cater'z to the "hard core" crowd, you want to save any Reputation that has been built over years of hard work and good relations...
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Originally posted by Tin Bender:
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No biggie.... And Thanks..

I'm sorry if I seem to "jump off", but when you have a shop that cater'z to the "hard core" crowd, you want to save any Reputation that has been built over years of hard work and good relations...
<IMG SRC="smilies/bender.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Easily understood. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Sounds like "all's well in Bender land". <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bender.gif" border="0">
 
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