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I'm building a transmission crossmember from some 2x3 square tube. I would like to fully enclose the tube to minimize moisture and rust on the inside. I would like to drill the bolt holes clean through both sides, and I have in my head the idea that I could buy a steel tube that would run the 2 inches, and weld into the crossmember on both sides, that would be the right size for my bolt to slide through. This would help me seal the opening, and add a little strength to that spot. Hopefully I explained that well enough. Do these things exist? What are they called? I don't even know how to start searching for that.

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Just buy tubing with correct id for bolts and make your own sleeves.
Will a plain old poly bushing not work?

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Do these things exist? What are they called? I don't even know how to start searching for that.
I just buy pipe nipples at the hardware store and cut them to length. You can really geek out on your weld detail for these "bolt stretch" tubes but a simple filet around each end works very well in most cases.

For bigger jobs you can save a little money by buying a pipe drop at a steel supplier.

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Go to McMaster Carr and search for metal tubing. They typically sell in 1' lengths. Since you are using bolts, it should be fairly easy to find tubing with nominally correct ID's (i.e. - 1/2" bolt has clearance in 1/2" hole); or like stated above, typical pipe is available in 1/2", 3/4", 1", but if you get galvanized you have to grind off the coating.
My vote would be for 4130 chromoly tubing; you can get it in diameters to fit almost any size bolt. Lots of places sell it, but the easiest is probably Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Then you can say your crawler is aircraft quality. Wall thickness can be minimal as long as the crippling (crush) load is perfectly in line with the tube (which is unavoidable if you pick the right size).

(BTW, what you want to do is actually a requirement in aircraft structure, to avoid crushing the tube you're bolting through.)
On Line Metals also has lots of DOM steel tube, cut to length. If you want to get fancy and have access to a lathe you could use thick wall tube with an OD large enough to counterbore the end to accept the socket head so it's recessed-ie flush with the face of the tube. Mc Master Carr has some nice counterbore bits that cut a recess to accept the socket head. Since they have a guide at the tip, you could also use them in a drill press.
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Do not use pipe nipples, I use them for various projects and have a bucket of them I bought at auction. I even have used them for making radiator support bushings, I would NOT use them for something critical such as a transmission cross member. "Pipe" that you find at Home Depot is FAR under rated then normal cold rolled steel or EWT in many ways including PSI.

I take it what you want to do is put a round tube to hold the bolt, into the cross member, weld it in place to seal the square tube, so water and mud do not get into the cross member. That is fine, BUT, as someone that has worked on boat trailers, a perfect seal is basically not going to happen. Put in a drain hole or two in the cross member at the lowest point. If it makes you fell better, from time to time you can mist the inside with oil or put a fitting in the top and spray oil in the top and have it leak out the bottom. Rather excessive since anything constructed with good steel 3/16 or 1/4" steel thick is not going to flake away into nothing in ten years unless you plan on driving through ocean surf all the time.

I bought on evil bay steel tubing 1" OD and "1/2" ID diameter to make bushings. I put a small camfer on them so I could press them into the blue poly bushings. Turns out the tube is actually too small to fit 1/2" grade 8 bolts through, so, I reamed them out to a true 1/2" on my drill press as pictured.

Do you think your cross member deserves WEAK (26,000?) thin wall pipe nipple or 1/4" wall 36,000+ PSI bushings welded in, held on with grade 8 bolts?

BTW: For a cross member I would make sure the shoulder, not the thread, sat inside the bushing. I was making a ghetto body lift for my $1200 Ford B2 that I have driven less then 5,000 miles in six years, so, I used 8" bolts I already had. BUT, if I was making a cross member for something of value, I would have used different and correct bolts.

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I'm building a transmission crossmember from some 2x3 square tube. I would like to fully enclose the tube to minimize moisture and rust on the inside. I would like to drill the bolt holes clean through both sides, and I have in my head the idea that I could buy a steel tube that would run the 2 inches, and weld into the crossmember on both sides, that would be the right size for my bolt to slide through. This would help me seal the opening, and add a little strength to that spot. Hopefully I explained that well enough. Do these things exist? What are they called? I don't even know how to start searching for that.

Thanks!
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Just finished this install. The kit is from TMR, but I had to do a lot of fab work. It supporting the AA adapter for my NV 4500 to Orion tcase. LS install.
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Here's an example of the 2x3" cross member on my Willys build that uses the countersunk cap screw approach described in my earlier post:

Steel tubes counterbored, , then chamfered:

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Ready to weld into the 2x3 cross member:

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Welded in place:

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The cross member bolts to a bracket on each frame rail, positioned so it sits flush with the bottom of the rails for a flat bottom. It uses a conventional rubber transmission mount at the center on a bracket, and the Spicer 18 t-case brace is a rubber pad and support piece designed to maintain the flat bottom, rather than use a standard dana 18 mount: (The bracket shown on the t-case / parking brake output was a temporary fixture used during fitting)
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Thought I'd put these up for ideas since initial poster danleym described a similar 2x3" tube cross member configuration - in addition to the other great ideas here!
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I need a lathe and a tig welder and a heavy brake to bend metal and plasma cutter. Lol.
I need a lathe and a tig welder and a heavy brake to bend metal and plasma cutter. Lol.
Check out the Swag off road finger brake- really handy and not too much $ , combined with on sale harbor freight press. I'm really happy with it. My lathe is an old delta wood lathe with a cross slide attachment for metal turning. Not very capable, but cheap and gets the job done on little simple turning like bosses. My vote is get the welder first though! Opens up so many possibilities!
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Thanks for the tips. Will take a look at Swag. Been welding with mig for years. Time for a tig welder.
Thanks for the tips. Will take a look at Swag. Been welding with mig for years. Time for a tig welder.
I'm not a great welder, but for what it's worth- I love the TIG. It's so nice to have more control. I started with a small 110V MIG, and then sold it to get a basic Lincoln TIG150. It's been really great. I use it for everything. The only time I wish I still had a mig is when doing welds in close quarters where it's hard to get both hands and filler rod into position and also reach the pedal. MIG is pretty nice when laying on your back doing overhead stuff in tight spots, so I wish I had both- but I'm space constrained so staying with just using TIG.
SWAG makes some cool stuff. The finger brake comes as a weld it yourself kit, so the cost is reasonable and it works great.
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