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ive been runing the chevys with dual shackles for a while now. my upper shackle is 4" eye to eye. and my lower one is a 3" longer than stock toy shackle. this setup is not working for me so i am going to make the top shackle longer(move stock shackle mount forward) and have a poly bushing where the 2 connect. i was planning on making this new upper shackle 8" eye to eye, but want to check before i make it. To those of you who have done similar, how long did you make your upper? thanx guys
 

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What's it doing now that you don't care for, the reason I ask is that I was looking into a double setup for long time. I didn't do it because it looked like it would be real unsolid. So I oppted to go with a 19" buggy-leaf setup in the rear with a lock down pin. To me it feels a little more smooth and there is no chance it will lock up like I've seen with double setup. How much opening were you trying to get?
 

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Originally posted by 89YotaRunner:
<STRONG> . So I oppted to go with a 19" buggy-leaf setup in the rear with a lock down pin. To me it feels a little more smooth and there is no chance it will lock up like I've seen with double setup. How much opening were you trying to get?</STRONG>
Can you go into a little more detail about this? I'm about to do this in the next 3-4 weeks so I can adjust my rear shackle angle infinetly and I don't have to worry about crossing my shackles. Any pics?

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Originally posted by FattyCBR:
<STRONG>Can you go into a little more detail about this? I'm about to do this in the next 3-4 weeks so I can adjust my rear shackle angle infinetly and I don't have to worry about crossing my shackles. Any pics?

Milan</STRONG>
Sorry, no pic's I have to pull them off my mac-go to work, put them on floppies, bring them back....then sit down and figure out how to post them... may try it this week <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

As for the Buggy's
I took the main leafs from a 2wd toy p/u, measured about 23-24" from the bushing eye and cut them(tourch/chopsaw).
I took a piece of steel about 1/4" thick and made a plate that will sit on top of the frame, as a support/guide for the U-bolts and center bolt.
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(probably wont work)
-It basicly look like a sillouete of a barn...has (3) 5/8" holes in it. The single hole will face toward the cab, this is where you'll put a bolt+thick washer(grade8)through
the leaf/frame/guide-plate...this will keep the leaf from pulling out.
About 5" from the single hole are 2 holes(side by side)for a U-bolt that will come up around the leaf/frame and through the guide-plate...this will keep it from twisting to far off the frame.

Placing the leaf will be deturmaned by what springs you have. I'm running allpros 9" longer springs, I left the old shackle mount where it was, and put the bushing eye resting on it, this keep your shackle angle the same as before. get it where you think is best then drill the center hole through the frame. I just widened the center-pin hole in the leafs also. Put the plate and U-bolt up mount the shackles and you'r Disco!

One other thing, while conciving this plan, I heard bad stories about that pitcular setup,"...about trucks on off camber areas slowely tipping over..."
So, I weilded tabs on both sides of the frame, close to the bushing eye. They had holes to place a thick bolt/pin through to "lock off" the buggy system...back to the way it was before.....

Now I really don't run them open that much, but when I do, It's FAWKen' killer <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I didn't have a camra when I tested them(wish I had) but I'll try to get to some dirt this week. And I'll finaly figure out how to post images.....

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I think thats all....
E-mail me for Q's...
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[ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: 89YotaRunner ]
 

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Sounds like a good setup. The only way I was thinking of doing it differently was running two u-bolts per side and welding two tabs onto the spring that would bracket the spring plate on both sides. Then the spring couldn't slide out and I wouldn't have to drill through the frame to adjust my shackle angle. That lock-off tab is a great idea though I think I may try that.

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Sounds good, I was never real trusting on the "wield to the spring" idea. But, just test the hell out of it in an area easy to fix. That's one of the reasons I left the old shackle mount, if the buggys fail then....20mins you're rolling again.

You wont be disapointed, I think at one time I had it flexed down almost a foot from the frame and it still kept good tire grip, even with open diffs....

Good luck
I'll try like hell to get some pics posted this week...

[ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: 89YotaRunner ]
 

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I used a 2" lift front and a 2" lift rear shackle. I moved the shackles mount forward about 1". Hopefully these pic's will help.

<IMG width=640 height=426 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/discodoubleshackle1.jpg">

<IMG width=640 height=426 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/discodoubleshackle2.jpg">

<IMG width=640 height=426 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/Img056.jpg">
 

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sounds like you idea would work,if your looking for longer drop off the frame,, I'v also seen rigs with a rod in place of the shackle on the frame, the rod has a threaded center section (for the swivel effect) and rod ends on both sides,that attach the the spring hanger, and spring hang shackle, I have a similar set up (as you currently have) and it seems to work great I dont have a track bar ,,and as of yet havnt had a need for one,, it was my daily driver,.
.<IMG width=320 height=240 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/yellowdropshackle33.jpg">
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and here is a pic of my buggy attach on my Runner,, I took a piece of 3/8" plate drilled 2, 1/2" holes thru the plate and springs (rear 1988 mains cut at 23"s),then welded the plate to the frame, with the bolts threads hanging down,, slid the spring and a spacer plate up on them,, and used some grade 8 metal lock nuts to tighten them down,, also used a stock rear Toyota u-bolt/nuts on each side torqued to 100 ft.pounds, just for extra measures,!!.
.<IMG width=640 height=480 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/buggya2a.jpg">
 

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I've got an idea I'm going to try on my runner, the stock limiting bracket (just forward of your spring) on my 79 was bolt in. So I'm going to line the front hole up with the pin hole off the cut top leaf from the 79 rears with the front hole on the bracket, pin it to the frame, and use stock square U-bolts to hold it to the frame. Heck if two U-bolts can hold your axle to the spring, they should hold a buggy leaf.
 

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Originally posted by BrianR:
<STRONG>I've got an idea I'm going to try on my runner, the stock limiting bracket (just forward of your spring) on my 79 was bolt in. So I'm going to line the front hole up with the pin hole off the cut top leaf from the 79 rears with the front hole on the bracket, pin it to the frame, and use stock square U-bolts to hold it to the frame. Heck if two U-bolts can hold your axle to the spring, they should hold a buggy leaf.</STRONG>

that should work, the first buggy leaf i ever saw (about 4 yrs ago) was held to the frame with u-bolts ...

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Originally posted by 89YotaRunner:
<STRONG>Sounds good, I was never real trusting on the "wield to the spring" idea. But, just test the hell out of it in an area easy to fix. That's one of the reasons I left the old shackle mount, if the buggys fail then....20mins you're rolling again.
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I guess what would be a better idea would be to weld a .25 inch long bolt through the center hole on my spring plate that would work as stud in the pin hole on the spring. So I wouldn't have to weld on the spring that way and I still wouldn't have to drill through the frame.

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Originally posted by poppyseed:
<STRONG>disco do you get severe axle wrap with those shackles, no shocks, and no trac bar?</STRONG>
i just threw a set of (pick-n-pull)4 inch early wagoneer front shackels in between my all pro rear springs and a 7.5 inch(eye to eye) shackel, no wrap, everything is totally street worthy(daily commuter) and 4-5 inches of extra droop...i havent even mounted rear shocks... <IMG SRC="smilies/bender.gif" border="0">

[ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: paul robert ryun: MTN GOAT ]
 

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Originally posted by poppyseed:
<STRONG>disco do you get severe axle wrap with those shackles, no shocks, and no trac bar?</STRONG>

Nope. I've had no problems since I put them on. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Disco, do you adjust your tire pressure with side cutters??? <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> What are those boggers at in that picture??? I've run mine at 2psi and still can't get them to flex like that.
 

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Originally posted by budr:
<STRONG>Disco, do you adjust your tire pressure with side cutters??? <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> What are those boggers at in that picture??? I've run mine at 2psi and still can't get them to flex like that.</STRONG>
In that pic they were at 4psi. How old are your tires? Mine didn't flex until they got broken in really good. You really have to GET IT before they do that. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 
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