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the northwest powerstroker's had there quarterly dyno run today, i managed to lay down a humble 303hp and 647ft/lb of tq at the rear wheels :D

withe 3.73 gears, 315/75/16 tires on winterblend fuel :D

i've got a 100hp diablo sport chip installed now, and towed a 72 chevy pickup about 60 miles with it in yesterday, and never had EGT reading's over 800, and that was burying my foot in it for extended times :D i know it's getting plenty of fuel, she blows enough black smoke to be in a james bond flick :D

i've got the VDH series computer and htey're know for running cooler than alot of others ;)
 

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Are you still running the stock tranny?

Exhaust?
Airbox?

I like to see these real world numbers, thanx for the post.

Karl
 

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i managed to lay down a humble 303hp and 647ft/lb of tq at the rear wheels :D
303 hp? Not bad, almost as much as my STOCK V10! :flipoff2:










I don't have as much tq tho.:(
 

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Almost as much at the wheels as your V10 has at the flywheel probably.
 

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yup... Same as your V10, with twice the fuel milage under load!:flipoff2:
 

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Are you still running the stock tranny?

Exhaust?
Airbox?

I like to see these real world numbers, thanx for the post.

Karl

exhaust is a 4in downpipe and 4in all the way back, no muffler, no cat (didn't come with it stock)

completly stock airbox with K&N drop in filter



Blue 84 yea, it's almost as much as a V10 has @ the flywheel... remember you'r only putting 225 or so on the ground ;)
 

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yup... Same as your V10, with twice the fuel milage under load!:flipoff2:

i get almost double what my V10 did now that i'm up around 30k on teh truck... but the first 10k i was pissed it didn't get any better than the V10!
 

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yup... Same as your V10, with twice the fuel milage under load!:flipoff2:
Add in the mods he mad and re-calculate the COST PER MILE taking into acount more than just fuel costs there buddy ;)
 

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Add in the mods he made and re-calculate the COST PER MILE taking into account more than just fuel costs there buddy ;)
WRONG! Traded in my brothers 2001 RAM CTD with a 4 inch BD exhaust, Power Edge COMP 5x5 chip, EGT and boost gauges and the dealer gave me 85% of the total of the mods and added it to the trade in value. They knew a modded truck would sell better and it did. Sat on their lot for 3, yes THREE days. ;)

Not to mention almost every truck that gets chipped improved 2-3 mpg. I know his did.

BTW, I'm keeping all my fuel and mileage (plus towing weights) costs just for you David. I should be getting a chip, exhaust and filter in the next few months and will continue to record the data. :p
 

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i buy ALL my fuel comercially unless it's just not possible to make it to a stop, so my milage is recorded on my monthly statment :D

i picked up 2 - 3 mpg with my first chip, and with this current one i've picked up closer to 5.5 and that's not driving it nice either :D i'm now averaging 18mpg mixed towing/freeway empty miles :D
 

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WRONG! Traded in my brothers 2001 RAM CTD with a 4 inch BD exhaust, Power Edge COMP 5x5 chip, EGT and boost gauges and the dealer gave me 85% of the total of the mods and added it to the trade in value. They knew a modded truck would sell better and it did. Sat on their lot for 3, yes THREE days. ;)

Maybe you FAILED accounting classes, but you can't calculate TODAY's cost per mile by figuring in TOMORROW's resale price :p

All I said was add those mods into cost per mile - that cost being calculated as every $$$ you have spent on the truck for fuel, performance, or maintenance to date, then divide by the total number of miles you have driven to date. You can't figure in the re-sale price until the vehicle is sold... THEN it can be deducted from the total cost and the cost per mile re-calculated...

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Maybe you FAILED accounting classes, but you can't calculate TODAY's cost per mile by figuring in TOMORROW's resale price :p

All I said was add those mods into cost per mile - that cost being calculated as every $$$ you have spent on the truck for fuel, performance, or maintenance to date, then divide by the total number of miles you have driven to date. You can't figure in the re-sale price until the vehicle is sold... THEN it can be deducted from the total cost and the cost per mile re-calculated...

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That's pretty retarded IMO. The upgrades need to be considered part of the cost of the truck not monthy usage expenses. Gas, oil changes are spent and don't hold a value once used. Mods and upgrades go to total vehicle cost.

I don't see you factoring in payment anywhere, or if I wrote a check for it do I just have one really bad month per mile and then it's all gravy from there? :confused:
 

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Maybe you FAILED accounting classes, but you can't calculate TODAY's cost per mile by figuring in TOMORROW's resale price :p

All I said was add those mods into cost per mile - that cost being calculated as every $$$ you have spent on the truck for fuel, performance, or maintenance to date, then divide by the total number of miles you have driven to date.
I am and accountant and I'll tell you that you don't add modifications in when figuring out operating costs. They are a part of the asset cost, not a part of the cost of operating it.

Of course I know where you're taking this DRM. Another attempt to sway us all away from those damn expensive, smoke belching diesels.:flipoff2: Just had to bring true accounting terms into the debate since you brought it up.:D
 

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That's pretty retarded IMO. The upgrades need to be considered part of the cost of the truck not monthy usage expenses. Gas, oil changes are spent and don't hold a value once used. Mods and upgrades go to total vehicle cost.

I don't see you factoring in payment anywhere, or if I wrote a check for it do I just have one really bad month per mile and then it's all gravy from there? :confused:
Cost Per Mile is just that - COST PER MILE.

When you took that truck to the dealership, did you know he was gonna pro-rate the upgrades? Did you know at what rate they would be pro-rated? No, so any math you did BEFORE the sale would be a GUESS.

Are you saying fuel costs should not be included in CPM calculations? You are on crack :p

You have to figure in oil changes, fuel, and any other COST you incurred to operate the vehicle... otherwise - whatever CPM figure you come up with DOES NOT REFLECT ACTUAL COST :p

True - the only number that would not change would have to be figured AFTER the truck is sold or retired. But a running CPM figure has to include ALL costs.

The idea would be to compare apples to apples - and if you know a diesel costs 2x what it costs to do an oil change on a gasser, then OF COURSE that should be included in CPM. See what I mean?

Payments is a tricky thing - and really don;t have to be broken down that far. Since you would then have to account for different loan periods, interest rates, etc. - you can't get that "apples to apples" comparison. So the best thing there is to just figure in the total purchase price of the truck, then deduct the total sale price later when it sells. That is the "cleanest" way to get a good idea of both cost, and resale value.
 

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I am and accountant and I'll tell you that you don't add modifications in when figuring out operating costs. They are a part of the asset cost, not a part of the cost of operating it.

Of course I know where you're taking this DRM. Another attempt to sway us all away from those damn expensive, smoke belching diesels.:flipoff2: Just had to bring true accounting terms into the debate since you brought it up.:D

If they are a part of the asset cost they still have to be added in there as a COST - so it doesn't really matter. The point is - they have to be included.

Otherwise - you get skewed end results when you claim your PSD gets 22 mpg, and a CPM of $xx.xx when you did not add in the $4000 in aftermarket parts that brought your mpg. up that high.

And no - it is not a way to sway anyone :p I just want to see honest comparisons for people to make their own mind up. I have nothing against PSD's - will probably own one sooner or later myself...
 

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And no - it is not a way to sway anyone :p I just want to see honest comparisons for people to make their own mind up. I have nothing against PSD's - will probably own one sooner or later myself...
Oh I know. I was just messing with you since you brought accounting up and everybody has been arguing diesel vs gas with you for so long.;) I completely understand your cost comparison (even though it isn't standard accounting procedure). I honestly believe though that most people who really want the diesel will purchase one no matter what the additional cost is.
 

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I honestly believe though that most people who really want the diesel will purchase one no matter what the additional cost is.
Agreed. If you want a diesel then get a diesel. Frankly I would love to have one but my V10 gets driven every couple of weeks or so (I put on just under 6000 in 10 months and that includes going to Colorado on vacation one time) so it is just not cost effective for me to have a forty some thousand dollar vehicle sitting in my shop. Getting one (diesel) for the fuel economy simply is NOT justifiable if you are ONLY considering mpg. There are MORE variables to consider, as David said.
 

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im not sure what the econamy numbers are about . i get 7ish on my 2k daully with only 19000 lbs on er
 

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dont forget up keep either. if you have an auto you have to have it fixed one day if you have a stick. -- you gotta fix it too. mine was 4k at 60thousand miles cause the disc pucked a spring and the spring killed pieces of the flywheel which in turn caused ote of balance on a poorly designed pilot bushing.
 
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