check out the binderbulletin, I think the FAQ will answer all your questions.
Electronic ignition conversion travelall
Hello, Has any one switched out a points ignition to the scout II electronic ignition on an older corn binder. I have a 1966 Travelall with a 304 that I am trying to do this to. I need to get the wiring configuration correct and I do not have a schematic.
Do I use the red and brown wire on the coil? What is the white wire to? Tach? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BigI
Do I use the red and brown wire on the coil? What is the white wire to? Tach? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BigI
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Thanks, I have found a little info..... but wanted to confirm that with anyone who has done it.
BigI
BigI
Great..... done a little already but wanted to confirm...BigI
There are 3 or 4 ways to go here.
Put in the 1979/80 stock IH electronic distributor. (Very simple and clean)
DUI makes an aftermarket one. (barely fits and cost like $500)
Dura Spark conversion from JY Ford parts.
Or one of the pertronix modules
Then there is the GM/IH hybrid use for fuel injection.
Put in the 1979/80 stock IH electronic distributor. (Very simple and clean)
DUI makes an aftermarket one. (barely fits and cost like $500)
Dura Spark conversion from JY Ford parts.
Or one of the pertronix modules
Then there is the GM/IH hybrid use for fuel injection.
OK, as a slight hi-jack.
For those that have done/worked with both set-ups. Which would one rather do/use: Pertronix or Dura-Spark.
What would be the advantage of one over the other. I've done the pertronix on a couple of rigs, and have no issues with it, but the Dura-Spark is very popular as well but I don't know much about the advantages/disadvantages over a pertronix in a Holley/IH points dissy.
Enlighten me! :flipoff2:
For those that have done/worked with both set-ups. Which would one rather do/use: Pertronix or Dura-Spark.
What would be the advantage of one over the other. I've done the pertronix on a couple of rigs, and have no issues with it, but the Dura-Spark is very popular as well but I don't know much about the advantages/disadvantages over a pertronix in a Holley/IH points dissy.
Enlighten me! :flipoff2:
Why not use any type of pickup, Petronix or whatever. I use the pickup in my Accel distributor.
I would NOT use a Mallory product.
Then use a MSD box or a Crane Hi 6R like I use. All you need is a trigger. Hell, the points may even fire it. I know points will fire a pro-jection with a little assistance.
Mount it under the cowl with the coil and call it great.
Cheaper, better than an expensive distributer.
I really don't see the need to go high buck on a distributor.
I would NOT use a Mallory product.
Then use a MSD box or a Crane Hi 6R like I use. All you need is a trigger. Hell, the points may even fire it. I know points will fire a pro-jection with a little assistance.
Mount it under the cowl with the coil and call it great.
Cheaper, better than an expensive distributer.
I really don't see the need to go high buck on a distributor.
I have several Pertronix conversions, one Duraspark (sorta).RustoleumWhite said:OK, as a slight hi-jack.
For those that have done/worked with both set-ups. Which would one rather do/use: Pertronix or Dura-Spark.
What would be the advantage of one over the other. I've done the pertronix on a couple of rigs, and have no issues with it, but the Dura-Spark is very popular as well but I don't know much about the advantages/disadvantages over a pertronix in a Holley/IH points dissy.
Enlighten me! :flipoff2:
My vote is Pertronix. Keep the old points in the glovebox as a spare, easy conversion - just drop it in, reset the timing, and call it good.
Duraspark involves modifications to the distributor that means you need to pull the whole thing out and carve on it a bit.
HOWEVER.. if you're going to INJECT it.. Duraspark. I have two more DS guts left, a handful of throttle bodies, and 2 wiring harnesses.. so it looks like 2 more IHs will become fuelies.
Still, it's tempting to run a Pertronix and a spark-less fuel injection from a reliability stand point.. I'd still have the option of dropping a carb on and driving home..
I agree. I would just leave in the points however put a MSD or the like on it. I did this for years with great success. Only real good reason IMO is if your going to let the computer controll both the ignition and the injection.
I think the duraspark is cheaper to set up if you do it right. Replacement parts would be easy to come by too.
Mine has been flawless with the FI.
Mine has been flawless with the FI.
I think if you did a DS conversion and used the 4 pin GM HEI ign module with a later model epoxy core coil (all junk yard parts) you would not only have a more reliable system but it would be a big upgrade over stock IH.
And as mentioned...all parts are avail from the local parts store or an abandoned chevy...which there are a lot of!!! For the price in a junk yard, you could grab 2 modules and coils to have a spare for your tool box!!
I have never had a failure of an ignition component yet.
The only failures I have seen so far were on initial installations due to improper installation or trying to take short cuts just to get it running.
But they are smoke filled electronic devices that will go bad. Just like the pertonix modules.
IIRC the DS style magnetic pick up is also used in all MSD billet distr's, so they cant be that bad.
With electronic ignition there are no parts that wear. So nothing changes. set it and your done.
Nothing wrong with the pertronix if you are just looking to get rid of the points and nothing more.
But if you are looking to upgrade your ignition and buy additional parts like MSD or accell ignitions...then I think it's just spending money that's not needed.
The DS distr conversion is well documented on the BB in the fuel injection forum as well as several ignition options. (for those not familiar)
As for FI and ignition...if you have ever optimized the ignition curve for an IH motor (or any motor)and felt the difference...you would never run a fuel only system.
But most are just happy with being able to run sideways and don't really know the motors full potential.
But proper motor tuning takes time....something we are all short of.
Just my .02
And as mentioned...all parts are avail from the local parts store or an abandoned chevy...which there are a lot of!!! For the price in a junk yard, you could grab 2 modules and coils to have a spare for your tool box!!
I have never had a failure of an ignition component yet.
The only failures I have seen so far were on initial installations due to improper installation or trying to take short cuts just to get it running.
But they are smoke filled electronic devices that will go bad. Just like the pertonix modules.
IIRC the DS style magnetic pick up is also used in all MSD billet distr's, so they cant be that bad.
With electronic ignition there are no parts that wear. So nothing changes. set it and your done.
Nothing wrong with the pertronix if you are just looking to get rid of the points and nothing more.
But if you are looking to upgrade your ignition and buy additional parts like MSD or accell ignitions...then I think it's just spending money that's not needed.
The DS distr conversion is well documented on the BB in the fuel injection forum as well as several ignition options. (for those not familiar)
As for FI and ignition...if you have ever optimized the ignition curve for an IH motor (or any motor)and felt the difference...you would never run a fuel only system.
But most are just happy with being able to run sideways and don't really know the motors full potential.
But proper motor tuning takes time....something we are all short of.
Just my .02
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