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Agreed, but a sandwich of 2x12s still isn't necessary.
Which is why the crew who did my pole barn put a 2x12 on each side of the pole as a header with a 2x6 nailed between them on the bottom to make it a U shape.
I was not suggesting a full 2x12 header, just one on each side with a 2x6 flat between them on the bottom.

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Which is why the crew who did my pole barn put a 2x12 on each side of the pole as a header with a 2x6 nailed between them on the bottom to make it a U shape.
I was not suggesting a full 2x12 header, just one on each side with a 2x6 flat between them on the bottom.

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Because 2x2x12's and a 2x6 are that much different than 3 2x12's???? :confused:

It also sounds like you'd be making a really awesome place for bird nests, bugs, dirt, etc to collect unless it's totally enclosed inside and out.

I would suggest that a 2x6/2x6 or 2x6/2x8 joined in an 'L' would be adequate for sheetling support, though I had not thought of door torsion spring load - I was envisioning door support on each side only, not from the middle of the header.
 

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Because 2x2x12's and a 2x6 are that much different than 3 2x12's???? :confused:



It also sounds like you'd be making a really awesome place for bird nests, bugs, dirt, etc to collect unless it's totally enclosed inside and out.



I would suggest that a 2x6/2x6 or 2x6/2x8 joined in an 'L' would be adequate for sheetling support, though I had not thought of door torsion spring load - I was envisioning door support on each side only, not from the middle of the header.
Then you have to put in cripples under them and all that.
With mine, they used structural lags to fasten the 2x12s to the posts, then put the 2x6 in the bottom. If you wanted to keep the critters out, you could put another on the top.
My barn is enclosed, so no birds, I don't care about dirt calling into there, it's 12+ feet up and I don't see it unless I am up there working.

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Which is why the crew who did my pole barn put a 2x12 on each side of the pole as a header with a 2x6 nailed between them on the bottom to make it a U shape.
It's still not technically a header any more than putting in nailers that give drywall a place to attach to could be called framing.

I know it's nitpicky terminology, but there are people out there that think an actual header has to be framed above every door and window opening and don't understand a thing about load bearing.
 

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It's still not technically a header any more than putting in nailers that give drywall a place to attach to could be called framing.

I know it's nitpicky terminology, but there are people out there that think an actual header has to be framed above every door and window opening and don't understand a thing about load bearing.
What is it called then? They (the guys that built the barn) called it a header and everything online I can find calls it a non-load bearing header.

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Can someone tell me how the bottom skirt should be installed in relation to the slab?
I can't find any that were built over an existing slab so most of the time the skirt is half way below the slab. Mine can be installed that way on the sides but I also have concrete ramps sloping out on the front and back so the skirt should be on the edge of the concrete all the way around? Then does it need to be sealed at the bottom of the skirt?

I guess I made my drawings up that way but didn't think about it much that the skirt boards won't be against the slab.


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Also is there any way I could make the bottom of the posts last? I've read bad things about putting posts in to concrete like this and I'm not even sure how long they've been there but you can tell it's been awhile. Will enclosing the pole barn protect them more or it doesn't really make a difference?
 

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Can someone tell me how the bottom skirt should be installed in relation to the slab?
I can't find any that were built over an existing slab so most of the time the skirt is half way below the slab. Mine can be installed that way on the sides but I also have concrete ramps sloping out on the front and back so the skirt should be on the edge of the concrete all the way around? Then does it need to be sealed at the bottom of the skirt?

I guess I made my drawings up that way but didn't think about it much that the skirt boards won't be against the slab.
Mine is a couple inches taller than the slab at all the walls, there is no skirt board at the doors, they nailed a board across the door openings (with the top at finished floor height) before the pour and then took it off later.

Also is there any way I could make the bottom of the posts last? I've read bad things about putting posts in to concrete like this and I'm not even sure how long they've been there but you can tell it's been awhile. Will enclosing the pole barn protect them more or it doesn't really make a difference?
Our barns have laminated posts (like this: 2 x 6 x 20' Laminated 3-ply Column Prebuilt )
The builders also had available Permacolumns ( Home ) which are a concrete post that has a bracket to attach the wooden post to aboveground.
They said that the permancolumns were only really needed if you were putting columns in where you had standing water. Otherwise they were a waste of money in their opinion.

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Thanks, so I don't need the skirt board to be against the slab, it can sit on top / bottom of board flush with the top?

I wish I had a menards near me to buy those specialty things, I cant find any how to on making those laminate beams
 

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Thanks, so I don't need the skirt board to be against the slab, it can sit on top / bottom of board flush with the top?
On mine, the skirt board is on the outside of the posts and doubles as the form board for the slab, height is variable, but they stick up above the slab by some amount.
I wish I had a menards near me to buy those specialty things, I cant find any how to on making those laminate beams
I dont have a Menards near me either, they were just the first decent result in my search.
Any decent lumberyard should have them available (my small town lumberyard had a bunch of 20 footers in stock when I needed them and dropped 3 off the next day).

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