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So I went for a dry run around the neighborhood this morning with Humpty (98 TJ, detroit f/r)flat towed behind the Turd (Ford F-250). What a freakin' nightmare. I can't steer for
SHIT and the truck is all over the place.

FWIW, the jeep tranny was in 1st, the t-case in neutral and the key on on,
just like the manual states. I'm guessing that the lack of hubs and the
front locker is causing the problem, b/c when I unhooked the jeep, the front
locker was good and bound.

Do I need hubs to flat tow? Or will discoing the front driveshaft help? I
can't imagine that this should be nearly this scary.

Seth (I've towed boats tons, and the Jeep on a trailer, but never flat
towed)
 

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Yes, you need to have locking hub's on the front. You want those wheels to be free to follow your tow rig. Pulling the front shaft won't do it, the axles and locker will still be turning and binding. I'm not sure I would keep it in first gear either unless it has something to do with getting oil to the rear output. You may want to do two things, install front hubs so you can freewheel and drop the rear driveline. It only takes a few minutes and then your 100% sure. Don't forget to turn the key so the colume is unlocked but not to the 'on' position. You don't want juice going through everything and running down the battery.

[ 09-23-2001: Message edited by: FearMe ]
 

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FearMe is correct. I wouldnt spend the $$$ on the hub kit for the TJ. Waist of money. If you cant afford a 44 for the front then just get a dolly for the front tires and pull the rear d-line.
 

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uhhhh.. buy a trailer? <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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I have a buddy that flat tows his Jeep with the auto hubs. First, get that thing out of gear!!! Put it in Neut with the key on. Second, discon the drive shaft from the fron axle. Third, how far apart is the spread on your tow bar? If it's very narrow the Jeep will push your tow vehicle all over the place.

Hope this helps.
 

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If it don't mess with the computer, why not pull the battery cable, then you don't have to worry about the battery running down in the "on" position, and you don't have to worry about the steering locking.
 

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I tow my YJ all over hell and back behind my motorhome , transfer case and trans in neutral , and I have a Smittybilt towbar .
Never have had the Jeep cross up on me.
Locker in front spinning the front driveshaft at 70 mph will probably not do the transfer case any good.
 

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Ok. No chance of hubs or trailer in my future. But I need to make this work.

Will disconnecting the front driveshaft have any effect?
 

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Originally posted by sethmark:
<STRONG>Ok. No chance of hubs or trailer in my future. But I need to make this work.

Will disconnecting the front driveshaft have any effect?</STRONG>
it was stated above that it wont make a difference cuz the locker is still engaging teh axels. you need a dolly for the front and remove rear dline in your case! jiMMy
 

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Removing the front driveline should help. Even thought the locker is still there, it won't be under any load, so it'll ratchet easily for cornering.

Worst case, even if I'm wrong, you just wasted 10 minutes taking off your front driveline. Best case, it'll work better and you'll be able to tow.

Free "fixes" are always what I try first. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Maybe I'm speaking out the wrong hole here, but the locker should have no effect on the steering with or without a driveshaft - there's no force on it to engage it. The only way it could effect the steering is if it's bound.

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Originally posted by nasvik:
<STRONG>Maybe I'm speaking out the wrong hole here, but the locker should have no effect on the steering with or without a driveshaft - there's no force on it to engage it. The only way it could effect the steering is if it's bound.

Paul</STRONG>
Kinda what I thought....disconnect the drive shaft and see what happens. Also put it in neutral.
 

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Ok. I solved the steering problem by pulling the front DS.

No handling problems... except the damn DS still spins. Is neutral actually neutral???
 

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Originally posted by sethmark:
<STRONG>Ok. .

. Is neutral actually neutral???</STRONG>
I don't think the 231 has "true" neutral? I have always thought you need to disconect thr rear shaft also for long tows...
 

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Originally posted by sethmark:
<STRONG>Ok. I solved the steering problem by pulling the front DS.

No handling problems... except the damn DS still spins. Is neutral actually neutral???</STRONG>
Seth, I drove to a trail ride with the front shaft tied up. I removed it from the diff.
It was still connected to the 231.

The t case was in 2 high. No spinning of the shaft.

But, one day i had my jeep on a lift and in 2 wheel drive the front tires spun????

WTF I thought. is that 2 wheel drive? Yep.

My under standing of the pos 231 is there is no true neutral. this means both shafts on a tj have to be removed to flat tow....

told you the 231 sucked. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Has anyone besides Seth read the freakin' manual regarding towing? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Test: leave your transmission in gear, put Jeep on jackstands. By hand, turn driveshaft in each of the settings of the t-case. Yes.... there's a true neutral. At least with my TJ.

Paul (has a spare 231 to play with)
 

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I have towed my 1998 TJ on all fours quite a bit. Put the t-case in neutral and key to first click. No problems. I have ARB so that is the only difference. You do not have to d/c the drivelines.

The only thing I can think of is your lockers or you didn't turn the key so that the front wheels can turn properly.

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>uhhhh.. buy a trailer? <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
One of the nice things about flat towing is you can tow until you get to the trail, unhook and then wheel the tow rig in and the jeep. With the the small camper, with the carpet kit, I hate going back to the tent. Take day trips from there in the jeep. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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I would take both shafts off. I think you will not get the proper lube for the TC if the shafts are spinning in neutral.
 
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