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I'be been hear'n all this talk about "Super" this and "Super" that. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> And $800 for this one and $1000 for that one... sheesh! IMHO putt'n that kinda dough into a 30, 35 or even to add two more splines to a 44 shaft is crazy. And before you spout off about how I'm on the "60 bandwagon" blah blah blah... consider this:

My front 44:
Out of 77 J20, flat top knuckles, 8 lug, 4:10's and locked. Also have spare set of shafts, inners and outers and 297's.
Total investment: $300

Rear 60:
Out of 77 Dodge Power Wagon. 8 lug, 4:10's, locked, full float.
Total Investment: $350.00

It all fits nicely under an 87 YJ tub and frame and the suspension mods were easy. I'm also runn'n a TBI350 with a T18 on 38.5 SX's. I've beat it hard being moderate to a little crazy on the stupid pedal with no breakage so far. So those of you defending these "Super" mods saying 3/4 to 1 ton axles are too expensive, phooey I say!

So go to McDonalds and "Super" size your fries then go hit your local Pick & Pull and get it AWN for pocket change!
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[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: Loppy ]
 

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here Lop...... <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

A little too much java this morning??? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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There was a post (which mysteriously disappeared) talking about a "Super" 44 kit. I guess you had to be there.
 

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Ok loppy you have stated your point. To each his own.

Now are those full width axles?

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this is the kind of thinking I am using to rationalize dropping the waggy 44's under the 5. Only a few hundred bucks and it is upgrades anyway you look at it.

I think the problem that people have is that what you are speaking of is not bolt on.

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I was at one time going to go to D60s F/R but the cost was way prohibitive even for pick and pull stuff. I bought a 77 wagoneer for 300. Jerked the axles and sold the rest for 200. Had them cut down 4" on the long side 350 bucks. new bearings and brakes and such 200 had ARBs and 5.38 stuffed into them 1600. total 2300 plus tax. the only thing I have broken is the rear pinion and cheaper hubs. (Iuse warn premiums now and have not had a problem. I run 36" tires and dont plan on going any bigger on this jeep. The axles work good. I would have spent at least 2000 on a front 60. Just my two cents.
 

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First off, get the facts straight because the Super 44 increases the shafts from 30 spline to 33 spline, which would be an increase of 3 splines, not two.

Second, if someone owns a TJ with a 44 already in it, the price of the swap is $0.

Third, a Detroit goes for about $500. If you subtract that from the price of the Super 44 (since we all know we want lockers anyway), you are left with about $300-$400. Now, lets subtract the price of just a set of axle shafts, that's about $300, what are we left with now?

Fourth, on a YJ moving the brackets and all around might be real easy, but on a TJ it's not near as easy.

If someone has a Dana 44 that has a broken shaft and doesn't have a Detroit but has been thinking about it, that's about $650 off the price of the Super 44 by the time they buy a single shaft and the Detroit. Suddenly the price doesn't seem so bad, huh? Not to mention the fact that they didn't have to spend half a day movign brackets around and the other half wrestling with axles getting it swapped.
 

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No one has answered the question, are they full width?

Or do they measure less then a full width?

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Loppy, You haven't broken a axle joint? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
 

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I could care less about the super 44 rear dude. Just gimme somewhat beefier ujoints up front and I'll be cool till I can pony up the $$$ for a front 60.
 

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I still say to each thier own, the axles you run depend on your wheeling style. Sure, Id do a D60 or 14 bolt, if I hadnt gotten a great deal on the D44 Im putting in. I will eventually put disc brakes on it, and MAYBE the super 44 kit, but I doubt it, because I feel, for the type of wheeling I do, a D44 is plenty.. Just my opinion.
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No matter how much you gold plate a turd, it's still a turd.

No matter how many times you explain to a certain few to get a Pick-n-pull axle and do the work themselves, they'd rather plunk down the coin so they don't have to do anything "hard".

By the time you plunk down the money for a "Super" this or that, after all is said and done, you still have a SuperTurd. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Get it <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
 

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I would love a F&R 60 reverse cut. But I dont want them sticken out a mile and have the law all over my A$$. So I personally would want them cut down....big $$$$$.

Plus most people dont have the time to search down the perfect deal. I think the price you paid was awsome. I dont know to many others that have gotten such a great deal. Ya, the deals are out there if you look hard enough, and have the "TIME".

I say if someone wants to build up a D35, tell them how to. Just like all of us they will eventually fix it better after it breaks, and probably end up with the d60's anyway. I am putting a D44 reverse cut in my YJ because I got a great deal on it and certainly couldnt find the D60 reverse I was looking for without re-financing my house to pay for the fawkin thing.

I will keep building my Jeep and looking for the upgrade parts I want, until then I know my limitations so do many, and if they want to take the chance at full throttle without the stought I say bring on the carnage. <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0">
 

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OK, I can't stand it anymore! For all you 60 FREAKS out there (sorry Lop, nothing personal) how many of you have actually spent the extra chinga and have 35 spline axle shafts? Those junkyard axles are fine, mainly cuz they're cheap, but they are also mostly all 30 spline models. Hey, guess what, so is my 44!! Same diameter shaft and same spline count! OK, I don't have thick ass axle tubes and my ring and pinion is smaller, but I think everyone seems to be concerned with breaking a shaft here, not a r&p. I also have a substantial weight savings over that 60 pig. No, I can't upgrade to 35 spline shafts, but if it becomes a problem, THEN I will switch to a nicely built 60 with 35 spline shafts.

If you don't beat your shit, there is no reason why a 30 spline D44 won't hold up to moderately (38" or less) sized tires.

Just my $.02, let the beatings begin.
 

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Originally posted by Putzboy:
<STRONG>OK, I can't stand it anymore! For all you 60 FREAKS out there (sorry Lop, nothing personal) how many of you have actually spent the extra chinga and have 35 spline axle shafts? Those junkyard axles are fine, mainly cuz they're cheap, but they are also mostly all 30 spline models. Hey, guess what, so is my 44!! Same diameter shaft and same spline count! OK, I don't have thick ass axle tubes and my ring and pinion is smaller, but I think everyone seems to be concerned with breaking a shaft here, not a r&p. I also have a substantial weight savings over that 60 pig. No, I can't upgrade to 35 spline shafts, but if it becomes a problem, THEN I will switch to a nicely built 60 with 35 spline shafts.

If you don't beat your shit, there is no reason why a 30 spline D44 won't hold up to moderately (38" or less) sized tires.

Just my $.02, let the beatings begin.</STRONG>
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Originally posted by Putzboy:
<STRONG>OK, I can't stand it anymore! For all you 60 FREAKS out there (sorry Lop, nothing personal) how many of you have actually spent the extra chinga and have 35 spline axle shafts</STRONG>
I did! 35 spline Moser Alloy's.

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I hate to say it but you can get a junk yard D60 with factory 35 spline axles. Look for a mid 70's 3/4 or 1 ton. They run a Dana 60 rear. That is what I plan to run, along with a Chevy D60 front for my 88 YJ.
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