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Still have some work to do on the rear springs/hangers/shackles. But the front's turning out pretty good so far. I was rubbing pretty hard on the rear tires but still had front travel left when I took these.

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[ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: BrianR ]
 

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Sounds to me like you need to take a saw-sall to the rear fender <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
 

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<IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> Those flares make it look like a S10! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">
 

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To try something different, and yes they're 35x15.5 SX's on 10's.
 

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Hey Brianr do you have any pics of it sitting level? I want to do the front shackle on my 83 lwb and I just bought some stock waggy springs, not 44044s. I am just curious how to set the pinion angle with the perches. If its like my d44 stuff on the cj then does the trunion bearings(kingpins) have to have a 2 to 6 degree tilt to the back at the top? I understand this eliminates a 4 degree shim but I am just making sure it doesnt effect the camber.Looks good though.
 

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What kind of pics, I got a few. I left the stock perches in place on my toy axle. The pinion is just a tad low, but will be perfect when I get my doubler installed.
 

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I was just hoping for some pics of the suspension at rest not flexed. I am also planning the dual t case adapter. I am in the parts gathering stage right now. I plan on having this as my winter project.I am planning the normal stuff nothing fancy 5.29s spool rear, locker front pref. ARB, stock waggys front and rear with dropped mounts and forward front shackle, rear buggy with rear waggys short side back, traction bar, dual tcases, bed bob, and a cage of course, and Id like to run 36-12.5 TSLs. So far I have the springs, reduction box, 36s, and the truck of course. I just need some gears and the adapter by winter. Its ironic that I am doing the forward front shackle ,when four years ago I did the shackle rev. on my cj5. I have read the posts on it and talked to some other people and it seems like a nice improvement.
 

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Shhhhh, that's next. I decided I'm going to stick weld it over at a buddy's house instead of MIG, just in case I ever decide to test it <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I'll post those suspension picks later. I've got to pull the tires back off to weld a couple brackets and do some finish work. probably tomorrow.
 

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hmmm, i just don't get it.. Why would you put shackles in the front?? You loose your ability to slide the nose over stuff. When your tires hits a vert, there is no cushion for the spring..
 

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Originally posted by dangerber:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> Those flares make it look like a S10! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Me too. I had to do a doulbe take at the grill to stop the confusion. <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by Crash:
<STRONG>hmmm, i just don't get it.. Why would you put shackles in the front?? You loose your ability to slide the nose over stuff. When your tires hits a vert, there is no cushion for the spring..</STRONG>
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Because the tire moves forward in the wheel well upon compression, instead of toward the firewall, so you can fit bigger tires without rubbing.

Also, you don't need a mega-super long travel front driveshaft, and the springs fight brake-dive by wanting to move FORWARD as the springs crouch.

However, the dowside is a rougher ride, since on the street the tire wants to jump forward over stuff instead of going up & back in the wheelwell, where it's being pushed anyway. You can also bend a leaf if you snag the shackle on something, since the shackles now lean forward at rest, instead of a rear-sloping hanger like the stockers have.

On the plus side, a lift shackle doesn't aim you pinion at the ground - it points it upwards.</font>
 

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Originally posted by MasterYota:
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Because the tire moves forward in the wheel well upon compression, instead of toward the firewall, so you can fit bigger tires without rubbing.

Also, you don't need a mega-super long travel front driveshaft, and the springs fight brake-dive by wanting to move FORWARD as the springs crouch.

However, the dowside is a rougher ride, since on the street the tire wants to jump forward over stuff instead of going up & back in the wheelwell, where it's being pushed anyway. You can also bend a leaf if you snag the shackle on something, since the shackles now lean forward at rest, instead of a rear-sloping hanger like the stockers have.

On the plus side, a lift shackle doesn't aim you pinion at the ground - it points it upwards.</font></STRONG>
Yes, i fully understand the differences, i have done a # of sas's and shackle reversals for people...

As for the rubbing issue, thats easy to fix, move the housing forward, therefor increasing your aproach angle if you use the right spring configuration. Other option is to re-work the back of the fenderwells..

You actually don't need a long slip if you do it correctly, last one i did with waggies, ramped it, and built the driveshaft perfectly, and has yet to disconnect..


with the shackles in the nose, loose aproach angle ability, and to also slide the nose over rocks and such, and therefore the possablily of bending a spring.. I see WAY more bads than goods...
 

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The springs are 48" toy rears from the same truck. As far as approach angle, I'm better than 70 degrees now straight on, and I left room to move the axle forward more as it's still centered on the pin. Plus I'm putting loops to the inside of the shackles that will hang just lower than the shackles to hook to or skid up on. It definately doesn't ride smooth, but since the springs are almost flat, the tires do go backwards when they hit a bump.
 

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And as for the S10 comment, the flairs were there when I bought it, along with the latex paint job thats pealing off. <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">
 

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that looks pretty good. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 
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