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Here's a shot of my front shackle angle. Springs are 48" rears with an AAL. When I first put these shackles (AllPro's) on the pickup I knew I would have to trim the body mount, they are less than 1/4" from touching.
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lookin good, so, how much clearnce do you have????
 

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angle looks good.... trim for clearance and enjoy <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0">
 

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one questing about SAS... why don't people add a shackle mount under the frame when for the rear of the leaves like they do the front of the leaves... wouldn't not lowering the back when the front shackle mounts are added (often under a 2x2 square tubing) screw with an imporant angle [i forgot which one]

i've heard one person say 'because toyota did it that way and they know what they were doing'. but going on that assumption, toyota also made it IFS...

thanks.gene.

also, what's an AAL?

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Originally posted by Mean__Gene:
<STRONG>one questing about SAS... why don't people add a shackle mount under the frame when for the rear of the leaves like they do the front of the leaves... </STRONG>
Been done <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0">

If done correctly, the shackle mount under the frame can be very beneficial...
 

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That about the same angle as mine and my mounts are on the under side of the frame it works great. Its been that way since 1994. Matt <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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What size is the frame bushing?

I'm about to make shackles for the new 44044s and it would be nice to drill the holes first without pulling the upper bolt to check.
 

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Originally posted by Mean__Gene:
<STRONG>one questing about SAS... why don't people add a shackle mount under the frame when for the rear of the leaves like they do the front of the leaves... wouldn't not lowering the back when the front shackle mounts are added (often under a 2x2 square tubing) screw with an imporant angle [i forgot which one]

i've heard one person say 'because toyota did it that way and they know what they were doing'. but going on that assumption, toyota also made it IFS...

thanks.gene.

also, what's an AAL?

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Mean__Gene ]</STRONG>
It also give's you a pretty shitty pinion angle. And I think it just looks more proffesional through the frame. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by Mean__Gene:
<STRONG>one questing about SAS... why don't people add a shackle mount under the frame when for the rear of the leaves like they do the front of the leaves... wouldn't not lowering the back when the front shackle mounts are added (often under a 2x2 square tubing) screw with an imporant angle [i forgot which one]

i've heard one person say 'because toyota did it that way and they know what they were doing'. but going on that assumption, toyota also made it IFS...

thanks.gene.

also, what's an AAL?

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Mean__Gene ]</STRONG>
by dropping the front and not the rear, it will rotate the pinion upwards, which is a better pinion angle, some people like me create the same effect with shims between the axle and springs. Yes it does mess with a somewhat important angle, it changes the caster but as long as you dont go to the extreme it really doesnt matter
 

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Originally posted by Yarddog:
<STRONG>What size is the frame bushing?

I'm about to make shackles for the new 44044s and it would be nice to drill the holes first without pulling the upper bolt to check.</STRONG>
The frame bushing are stock size. I didn't change the shackle mount.
 

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Originally posted by Yarddog:
<STRONG>What size is the frame bushing?

I'm about to make shackles for the new 44044s and it would be nice to drill the holes first without pulling the upper bolt to check.</STRONG>
The shackle bolt is 18mm
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Originally posted by GRABBER:
<STRONG>And I think it just looks more proffesional through the frame. </STRONG>
More professional? Give me a break <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

So I guess the shackle hanger on your rear axle that came that way from the factory is not professional <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I personally think the through-the-frame method is an exercise in wasting time by copying something that Toyota did and is completely un-necessary...
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>More professional? Give me a break <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

So I guess the shackle hanger on your rear axle that came that way from the factory is not professional <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I personally think the through-the-frame method is an exercise in wasting time by copying something that Toyota did and is completely un-necessary...</STRONG>

I'll have to agree with you David, when i go SAS i've been disputeing if i should go under or throught but what i come up with id that it looks to me that under will give you more shackle travle.

anyone ever made a front dual shackle setup? like you would do with the rear?
 

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the major effect of under frame mount is the change in castor/camber and pinion angle. In the case of the All Pro SAS mounting location, at least on my truck, it brought the castor/camber into nominal factory spec. it drives really well on the street w/ no shims or other front end alignment problems.
 

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Originally posted by deleon87:
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anyone ever made a front dual shackle setup? like you would do with the rear? </STRONG>
If you put a dual shackle on a rear shackle front, you'll really have a bad pinion angle on droop. I've seen pictures of a dual shackle on a CJ with front shackles and the guy "claimed" it worked good.
 

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I've been seriously considering this on a project I am building, but do a shackle reversal then dual shackles.

I think the first shackle that will rest against the frame would want to be like six inches or so for good droop but then the second only like 3-4" so you don't loose that much front clearence.
Also under droop it would correct the pinion angle and eliminate the need for a crazy driveline.

Sound good, or am I retarded.

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>More professional? Give me a break <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

So I guess the shackle hanger on your rear axle that came that way from the factory is not professional <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I personally think the through-the-frame method is an exercise in wasting time by copying something that Toyota did and is completely un-necessary...</STRONG>
<IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> You crack me up DRM, Yeah, I just wanted to copy Toyota. <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> You know I could of welded a shity looking hanger below the frame, and I'd be original, HUH! <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by deleon87:
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I'll have to agree with you David, when i go SAS i've been disputeing if i should go under or throught but what i come up with id that it looks to me that under will give you more shackle travle.

anyone ever made a front dual shackle setup? like you would do with the rear? </STRONG>
I have shackles with no center support from AOR, I have plenty of shackle travel, and with no center support the shackle doesnt bottom out on the frame. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

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