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I wasn't pointing the finger at you and I know you're afraid if you put his info up he'll hose you and you'll never get your money or the engine but I'm betting that will be the case anyway. Just got done dealing with that with a business partner. I was invested so I didn't want to make waves but it ended up I got screwed and lost money. I think you'd be better off naming names. We've got your back and I bet between the group we could put a pretty good powerplant together for you. I've got a real good 345 block and I'll donate that to the cause. I've got my pitchfork and torch I'm ready.
 

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I agree on getting your money back. Try the nice aproach first one last time.

Say "I'm sorry but I cannot wait for this engine any longer. Please send me back my deposite in full within one week. I've been waiting for over a year with no end in site so I've found another engine/builder that will have it _______. "

If he protests remind him of the BS you've gone through. If he continues then tell him that you'll trash his name and client base on the PBB.



I've got a good guess and if its that person I've heard he isnt the fastest(building that is) but never anything this bad.
 

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I would ask for your money back now. A year is way too long. Everyone up there in the Denver, CoSps area know you can go to pullnsave at 33rd and Peoria in Denver and almost always pull a IH engine yourself for around $100.00. There is no excuse for service like that. None.
If you need a engine hoist also, you can use mine. Stay cool and out of this damn heat. :)
 

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I know who it is, another club member had the same problem. To be honest, I don't know of one good IH vendor. I often thought of switching to early Broncos becouse of this. I started using non IH power years ago so the drive train is no longer a problem.

I make the trip to the AZIHR every year, if any of you want to use the Portland builder let me know, I'd be glad to haul it down for you.

Keep us informed
 

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harleykeith said:
was the owners name BenDover
Hey, I don't have anything to do with this :flipoff2:

But since we are on the subject, I wonder how long it took Manderra to get his 304...and, didn't he have a 392 built also? Who else has had engines built by them and were they late?
 

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7/05/05 update:

Left a couple of messages this morning, asked that the call be returned ASAP, no call so far by 6:10PM.
 

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Will this pretty much blows :mad3:
I ordered a part 17 of May, by a IH vendor, with a quoated 2-3 week time table. Not a problem, I was doing my part by supporting an IH vendor, which supports the BB and IH-digest.
After several e-mails of inquiry, and working on 7 weeks. Last week I asked for delivery of July 5th or refund. With no response, until today, we'll "rush" it. What the F does that mean, next week, next month? Its too LATE :flipoff2:
But thats not the main issue, I was told a date thinking I would be able to finally get my vehicle running, and make it to the RMIR for the first time. With only having July 5-6 off before going back to work for a week, there is no way I can get it done, and work out all the bugs.
How do you compensate for being pissed off.
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While it is a little late to solve your problem--next time you are looking to rebuild an IH motor and you do not have an IH "specialist" nearby, check with the rebutable local macine shops who have been in business for at least 25 years. Most likely they worked on a fleet or two of local trucks (oil, septic, buses, etc) that ran SV motors. If it is a stock rebuild you are after, a rebutable old-timer should be able to help you out.
 

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out 'em don't let anyone else get burned. In my experience all machine shops miss their dates but a year is way too fawking long.

bum deal man sorry.
 

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Ben Segrest said:
Who else has had engines built by them and were they late?
One of our Tucson guys (McLaughlin)...the engine took a year.

Sully, Dan & I are trailering my junk to RMIHR if CO-Scout-racer-engine builder can concentrate long enough to build you an engine and have it ready. Not likely but hey.

My opinion is he needs to either have it ready for us to pickup at RMIHR or he needs to refund your money NOW.

I've been so underwhelmed with "IH vendors" over the last four years. :shaking:

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One of our Tucson guys (McLaughlin)...the engine took a year.

Sully, Dan & I are trailering my junk to RMIHR if CO-Scout-racer-engine builder can concentrate long enough to build you an engine and have it ready. Not likely but hey.

My opinion is he needs to either have it ready for us to pickup at RMIHR or he needs to refund your money NOW.

I've been so underwhelmed with "IH vendors" over the last four years. :shaking:

Ronnie
Yeah, I'm well over a year too.(quickly approaching a year and a half at this point.) It's especially frustrating when I was up-front with him about needing it quickly.

I had kind of wanted to go to RMIHR too, but it doesn't look good for me to be able to make the trip in my rig's present condition. I was thinking I could pick the engine up then, but he already told me that there was "no way" he would be able to get it done before RMIHR. (what can really be left to do, after you've been working on it for 16 months?)

At this point, I just want my $$ back, and will be going with a used engine or a stock rebuild.

I've called repeatedly every day so far this week and left messages, but haven't had one phone call returned yet. :rolleyes:

In a business environment where your reputation is everything, it amazes me that folks in our particular industry just can't seem to step up to the plate with customer service.
 

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19scout77 said:
While it is a little late to solve your problem--next time you are looking to rebuild an IH motor and you do not have an IH "specialist" nearby, check with the rebutable local macine shops who have been in business for at least 25 years. Most likely they worked on a fleet or two of local trucks (oil, septic, buses, etc) that ran SV motors. If it is a stock rebuild you are after, a rebutable old-timer should be able to help you out.
That's probably my next step, once I get my money back.

The bummer is that I wasn't going for a "stock" rebuild, so I wanted the experience of someone who has intimate knowledge of "warmed up" IH engines.

Unfortunately all the experience in the world doesn't do you any good, if it isn't being applied.
 

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If this is the vendor i think it is, then yes, he is very good. But from prior experience I know his waiting list is well into a year + for completion. There is no excuse for him to promise something, and not deliver it though. There have been a number of people over the last few years that wanted their money back, because it took so long. Mine took over a year to build because we continued as I had money. Havent talked to him a 2.5 years, so dont know whats up now.

Good luck.

Edit: I may be wrong on who I thought, as you said they dont take credit cards. I know the vendor I am thinking of does or at least did 2 years ago.
 

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If this is the vendor i think it is, then yes, he is very good. But from prior experience I know his waiting list is well into a year + for completion.
Then he should have told me his wait was over a year.

When we set the project up, I explicitly said that time was a concern for me, and that I couldn't afford to wait for the engine. He promised me two to three months. Not a year and a half.

Also, I have never heard ANYTHING about a "waiting list." He has told me repeatedly that "The engine is on the stand."

Supposedly it was "almost done" just before the AZIHR. All he needed was to "get the heads back from his machinist". How does that take months?

His role in the RMIHR was an excuse last year, just as it is this year. That ought to be one heck of a show to take up more than a year of his time.

Anyway, I've called several times a day, every day since my last post in this thread. I've left at least one message a day, and have yet to have one phone call returned.

I really don't care how good the engine is at this point, if a businesperson can't find three minutes to return a customers phone call, then how can I trust them with anything else?
 

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Why is it that the Vendors Blame the Product Supplier/Maker?
Take a little responsibility.
If you have a problem with supply, Find a new source. What excuse is acceptable?

You should have posted this on the BB.

Scout Dork
 
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