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I'm Hooked! Reading the SOA Flattie thread sold me.

I have a 52M38 i was to do a stock resto to, plans have changed. I'll sell everything but the tub.

Here's what i want..

Stretched fully boxed frame
4.3 Vortec or SBC
60's front and rear
36-38's
SOA
PS,4 wheel disc, tilt column

I'm looking for input as to axle widths,drivetrane options,suspension designs, wheelbase.. etc.

Lets hear the ideas, see the pics, and link me to the best parts,buildups, tech notes etc.

I'v always wanted a Flattie for the trail but never followed thru with it. Last open top SWB i owned was my V8,FJ-40..i regret selling it. I just finished an XJ buildup and i'm still not content....

Theres alot of knowledge here...help me out guys.
 

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Go with 60's front and rear or a 14 bolt, Lets see a 3 to 4 inch spring over and lots of cutting how about run 42'TSL or go with some 38's of your choice if the 42's are to big, Lets see a nice healthy Vortec V-8 or even something better if you want, How about some beadlocks also, Paint it nice also,color of your choice, Lets see a nice and well thought out cage, and a big proud Warn winch on the bumper!!!Also throw in an SM-465 manual tranny!!! or a TH-400 go big!! if you got the bucks.. <IMG SRC="smilies/shy.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
 

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Fuel injection, I think a 4.3 would be great, easier to cool and just more room. T-18 or SM465, how about an ATLAS II? Definetly stretch the WB as much as you can but at the same time make sure the look is apealling to you. 60's would be bulletproof on a light vehicle. Oh, and some SXs with champion beadlocks. <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">
 

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You might want to check out how much that M38 is worth on the military resto market.
You might be surprised!
If your MB is pretty torn up or rusted out ... then CHOP AWAY!
I've decided to not chop mine up since it's in very good condition.
So instead of pouring a lot of $ on mods INTO it, I'm going to make a healthy profit OUT OF it and use the $ to build something with a longer wheelbase ... plus do the right thing (IMHO) by helping to preserve a little bit of history.
 

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I had a 46 and 47 2A..I sold the 47 to my Dad because it was in pretty good shape, and I would have felt bad chopping it up. So now I am building the 46, and the plans are 4.3/700R4/D300...Front RC 44, rear 44, 5.13's, detroits, SOA (not sure what springs yet), fab a boxed frame, maybe a bit longer, but not too much I want it to still look like a Willys, 36" SX's..and I am going to paint it the stock burnt copper/brown color. I'm just gathering parts for the build up right now, hopefully it'll be ready next summer. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by Don Koharski:
<STRONG>I had a 46 and 47 2A..I sold the 47 to my Dad because it was in pretty good shape, and I would have felt bad chopping it up. So now I am building the 46, and the plans are 4.3/700R4/D300...Front RC 44, rear 44, 5.13's, detroits, SOA (not sure what springs yet), fab a boxed frame, maybe a bit longer, but not too much I want it to still look like a Willys, 36" SX's..and I am going to paint it the stock burnt copper/brown color. I'm just gathering parts for the build up right now, hopefully it'll be ready next summer. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

It's going to have to be a bunch longer if you're using a 700R4 and a d300. The tranny and adapter along are 27 inches! As opposed to 12 inches with a T18 and D18 adaptor.
 

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If you have complete non molested near original jeep it would make alot more sense to sell everything and start from scratch for what you want sense you don't plan to use anything but the tub, which can be bought in fiberglass. Just my thoughts, these old jeeps are getting very rare and no reason to rip one apart just for a body
 

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Damn brudda, If I was you, and I was a few months ago, I would take that body and stretch it. Get rid of the frame and build one from scratch. Do a 1/4 ellip rear, I can give you a hand with that if you need some. basically I have a 49 2A with a 104" wheelbase. Remember with 60's you will want to go as big as possible with the tires.

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Cool, got a few Rock Hounds who still give a shit about Jeep History. To set the record straight:..

I work for one of those Military Jeep Restorers and parts vendors. I'm well aware of what these are worth, which is why i'll sell everything and keep the tub. (The M38 is stripped and on pallets/boxes). I'v accumulated over $7K in rare NOS parts for it. I wouldnt think of molesting a piece of history.

My main reason for originally restoring this Willys to stock specs was to join a bud who was doing a 2A resto....till he recently sold it.

I'd happily sell the original tub if i could find or trade for a good repo tub. But this tub isnt mint..it needs a new 1/4 and to fix it i'd be putting a repo 1/4 on it so why not use it?

With that being said..

What powerplant would work well? I have a 60-2 outta an early J10 with 35 spline axles and offset to the pass side. With a built 18 i figure it would work well. Even though the tubes are a bit smaller, i think 36's or 38's wouldnt be overkill for the tubes.

With a stretched front end i could drop in a SBC,4500 or T18 and the 18 transfer. Does that sound about right? would the 18 hold up?

I'm thinking 2" springs sprung over would work well in conjunction with a Shackel reversal and give me the clearance i needed. Or i could add a lil body lift.

Lets concentrate on these few questions for now.

Thanks all...keep it coming.
 

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Take a look at Terry Howe's flattie ...
www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/projects/pieces/
It crawls up and over rocks like a big red spider!
He put it together using a Buick V-6 quite a while ago but lately it seems one of the new Vortec 4.3 V-6s are the hot ticket for the short nosed flatties ...
Terry at ARCA last week ...


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Bringing this thread back from the dead. I seriously want to build this M38 and i'm about to bring it out of storage.

Jaffer, i'm definately sold on the V6, enough power and small enough to fit the engine compartment nicely. T18 and 300/Atlas behind it sound right?

Considering the prices on 60 front's i may just go with stock width Waggy 44's.

The rancho 44044's, will this clear 36-38's done SOA and help with spring wrap? Or will i still have issues with this?

How much should i extend the frame with the Waggy springs and have ample tire clearance?

Thanks Guys..



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I think the Waggy spring will do fine with 36s. I would still suggest a traction bar. I've got stock Wranglers with a leaf added to each and bad axle wrap, until I built a bar. Stretched my wb a bit to about 84", mostly at the back. I offset the centerpin holes front and back by an inch each, the rest is in hanger placement. Also running 36" SXs with bumpstops accordingly. Here's a poser shot.
 

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Jay, can you post or email me a pic from the front so i can see how far out your tires are? I'm wondering if i can keep this street legal here in Pa.

What BS are you running?

I checked out your webpage, looks like you'v done lots since your last update. Actually Jay, i'd appreciate any pics of where you placed your mounts for the springs, and did you make your own bracket for the steering box?:beer:
 

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Personally I would get a different frame...start with a YJ, or TJ frame...that way you dont need to stretch it at all and you dont need to box it nor will cracks be as bg of an issue...or build a custom one like Flatty said:D If you are interested in a centered rear 60 housing I have one I would sell ya...its out of a Dodge and has nothing no shafts drums or gears(unless you want the stock 3.55 gears:D) I do have backing plates IF you were to want them but I say go disc...email me if you are interested...thanks
 

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The tire stick out about 7" each side with 4 1/8 BS. I think it's about 72-73" sidewall to sidewall.
Ya, my webpage is waaayyy behind. I have posted pics of the hangers here before. You might be able to find them searching for Waggy, outboard,something like that. Heck, I'll just e-mail you some.
I made my own PS bracket out of some plate with short standoffs at the mount points then welded that to the frame. I also have a frame brace.
Actually, starting with a newer frame is not a bad idea if you have the time and skills to make it happen.
 

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sounds like you have very simalar plans to mine, i really cant be much help as im about at the same stage you are, ive been gathering parts lately, my buddies building me a 383, and i plan on 60s and all that good stuff. It looks like the SM420 is a good tranny for our needs, (i think i found mine) its heavy duty and more importantly- short, anyway we could probably help eachother out a bit by posting problems we run across because theyll probably be pretty simalar.

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MilspecXJ said:
I'm Hooked! Reading the SOA Flattie thread sold me.

I have a 52M38 i was to do a stock resto to, plans have changed. I'll sell everything but the tub.

Here's what i want..

Stretched fully boxed frame
4.3 Vortec or SBC
60's front and rear
36-38's
SOA
PS,4 wheel disc, tilt column

I'm looking for input as to axle widths,drivetrane options,suspension designs, wheelbase.. etc.

Lets hear the ideas, see the pics, and link me to the best parts,buildups, tech notes etc.

I'v always wanted a Flattie for the trail but never followed thru with it. Last open top SWB i owned was my V8,FJ-40..i regret selling it. I just finished an XJ buildup and i'm still not content....

Theres alot of knowledge here...help me out guys.
 

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Jeepdude_Jay said:
I think the Waggy spring will do fine with 36s. I would still suggest a traction bar. I've got stock Wranglers with a leaf added to each and bad axle wrap, until I built a bar. Stretched my wb a bit to about 84", mostly at the back. I offset the centerpin holes front and back by an inch each, the rest is in hanger placement. Also running 36" SXs with bumpstops accordingly. Here's a poser shot.
I like it:D

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I am also working on flat fender cj3b. I am going the light weight
route and will be using a 225 buick along with a sm420 and the model 18 transfer case. Because I have a left over dana 30 disc front I will use that along with a dana 44 rear. The wheelbase sits at 86" with waggy rear springs and wrangler fronts. I have been collecting parts for about 4 years now. I spent 2 months shortening, boxing and welding suspension mounts mostly during weekends. I hope to be wheeling this by mid summer.
 

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Ive got a 50 model M38 crawler that im redoin again. I ended up buildling a new frame out of 2x3 tubing. Im using stock yj springs, full width 60 and 14 bolt out of a cucv, tbi 4.3, sm420 and dana 300. My WB is around 94 or so, but i did most of the stretch out front and only did about 4" in the back just to make the d-shafts happy. Ill try to take some pics before to long. Im still building, but its just little tedious stuff lacking now.
 
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