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Big Rich,

What is limit for body damage? Take this for example, aside from moving the filler, the panel has been pushed in about 4 inches. The damage is entirely cosmetic, the doors still close, the tail gate closes, the roof still seals, and the lights still work.



If body damage is going to be the norm in future events where will the line in the sand be drawn? Or will you be changing the class to Jeep stock mod? I hope that the class won't be restricted to pretty rigs.
 

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No diffrence between comp rigs and recreational rigs when it comes to body damage. No doubt body damage is cool and all but I say if it looks like shit it is shit. You gotta have some class. I don't know where to draw the line but like I said you gotta have at least a little class. Go ahead, flame away:flipoff2:
 

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RE:Todd gets it... and his rig certainly LOOKS like a bunch of random, wrinked sheetmetal panels. :flipoff2:
 

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When Yeller got beat to the point of being unrecognizable I cut it all off tubed it and made some tasteful aluminum panels and now it is much lighter to boot.
 

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Joe,

Did you compete and that damage is from the Cougar Buttes event this weekend?

Kimber
 

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Joe,

Did you compete and that damage is from the Cougar Buttes event this weekend?

Kimber
No I was out of town, but I know what the out come is going to be on any course. I'll fix the body once per season, but not after each event.
 

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No diffrence between comp rigs and recreational rigs when it comes to body damage. No doubt body damage is cool and all but I say if it looks like shit it is shit. You gotta have some class. I don't know where to draw the line but like I said you gotta have at least a little class. Go ahead, flame away:flipoff2:
So will the lavender crew be making an appearance at any events other then Hollister Hills or are you just flapp'n your mouth.
 

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So will the lavender crew be making an appearance at any events other then Hollister Hills or are you just flapp'n your mouth.
Daamn, that hurt. I gotta figure out how to post pics, I'd like to show you some pics of ME at the SUPERCRAWL that I didn't see you at.:flipoff2: No actually my jeep is a long way from a real comp rig, no doubt about that, it was built for drinkin beers on the rubicon, does that pretty well. However we will be in at least a couple Calrock events. (you're right though, mostly just flappin)
 

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Daamn, that hurt. I gotta figure out how to post pics, I'd like to show you some pics of ME at the SUPERCRAWL that I didn't see you at.:flipoff2: No actually my jeep is a long way from a real comp rig, no doubt about that, it was built for drinkin beers on the rubicon, does that pretty well. However we will be in at least a couple Calrock events. (you're right though, mostly just flappin)
And do you really feel like redoing the body after each event? Are you running a steel body on the Willys
 

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TNToy said:
RE:Todd gets it... and his rig certainly LOOKS like a bunch of random, wrinked sheetmetal panels. :flipoff2:
Thank you :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D :D
 

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RE:Todd said:
Thank you :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D :D
Pretty easy to keep a mini off the rocks, I running classic america steel. I'm a tad wider then you.
 

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jdjanda said:
Big Rich,

What is limit for body damage? Take this for example, aside from moving the filler, the panel has been pushed in about 4 inches. The damage is entirely cosmetic, the doors still close, the tail gate closes, the roof still seals, and the lights still work.



If body damage is going to be the norm in future events where will the line in the sand be drawn? Or will you be changing the class to Jeep stock mod? I hope that the class won't be restricted to pretty rigs.
The calrocs rules say "Excessive body damage, as determined by an RCAA official, is not approved. "

I'd guess the intention here is, they don't want a rig showing up with body panels flappin in the wind ready to fall off that could be dangerous to people. Or have that same rig practicing leprosy along the course.

I also imagine it's about structural integrity of a cab on a truck for example.
 

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Danger Ranger said:


The calrocs rules say "Excessive body damage, as determined by an RCAA official, is not approved. "

I'd guess the intention here is, they don't want a rig showing up with body panels flappin in the wind ready to fall off that could be dangerous to people. Or have that same rig practicing leprosy along the course.

I also imagine it's about structural integrity of a cab on a truck for example.
It's all about INTENT - but what is the intent?

My Scout looks like Joe's and I would still bet my Scout is structurally more sound than alot of 'pretty' vehicles on the trail. But it looks like crap! If I ran comp's there is no way I would want to be forced to repair the sheetmetal all the time just to keep up with a rule for asthetics. Now if the rule is intended to achieve another purpose I am all for listening to it.
 

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If it goes the way of the SCCA, then you will find that a clean and nice looking rig will breeze through the tech inspection and a dirty banged up rig will be go over with a fine tooth come looking for how many threads pass through a locknut.

But I know nothing about rock crawling events. I just know tech inspectors. :D I just read this stuff so someday I’ll be ready to compete;)
 

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Don;t know about any rules, but I have no interest in competition.

Personally, my limit is function. When a part loses its function, it needs repair of some sort. My crunched door *could* have been left there, but I lost the security (my daily driver), and the safety of a questionable latch, so I replaced it.
 

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Rich would have the final say...
but WTF is that hangin' out of the quarter panel ... thats a safety and enviromental problem waiting to happen.

...and you would probly be asked to repair the damaged area.

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urjb said:
Rich would have the final say...
but WTF is that hangin' out of the quarter panel ... thats a safety and enviromental problem waiting to happen.

...and you would probly be asked to repair the damaged area.

Eric
It's the filler, which will be relocated because it is in a bad position regardless of weather or not the panel is in good shape.

Joe
 

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And do you really feel like redoing the body after each event? Are you running a steel body on the Willys
Yep it's steel and Hell no, That's exactally why I didn't build a full on comp buggy, but i guarantee if I competed alot and it got beat to where it looked like crap it would get repaired every time. I raced desert for about 10 years and EVERY time the body got beat up it got repaired, I replaced body pannels and bumpers alot, gets really old after a while. Rock crawling comps, I think, are just a few years behind off road racing in alot of aspects. You guys are talking alot about comp rigs here and when you are competing for money you are on a profesional level, you should look profesional, or at least don't look like shit. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to say a rig can't kick ass without paint, I just think we should all take a little pride in what our rigs look like. Hell it might even help promote the sport to the next level.:D
 

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jdjanda said:


I'll fix the body once per season, but not after each event.
body work does suck,it shouldn't matter how they look as long as it is safe still.... my old body wasn't safe so I totally redid mine, tub and all, and sorry I flaked out on selling you that end cap:rolleyes: I'll keep my eyes open for some more, I used the one I was going to send you....:D
 

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Ok, here is the intent..................

Upper classes:
Outside the industry sponsors, looking to drop money in this sport think we are to YAHOO'ISH, it has been stated, that if we could look like NASCAR or NHRA they would be more willing to help out.

Now, with that being said, in the Mod Stock Class, the intent is for safety and competitive advantage, If the body is not dangerous or bashed to the point of providing a competitive advantage, then it is OK.

Now at our event this last weekend, we had some very extreme Mod Stock course's, they will be toned down a bit, so that teams, unless just careless will not suffer as much damage (hopefully).

Rich
 
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