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Has anyone mounted up an ARB Bull Bar for an 85 truck to a SAS truck? I have an 86 pickup that I am going to put a solid front axle under using All-Pro's front spring hanger. The problem is that the Bull Bar mounts up with a plate that runs under the original frame section in the front. I know that DRM and Chris Geiger are/were both running Bull Bars on SAS trucks, but their bumpers were probably intended for their models. Can anyone help me out here?
 

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My TJM bar was made for the IFS truck, and I did have to modify it.

I basically started by cutting all of the bottom part out that would interfere with the drop hanger. That eliminated the attachment bolts on both sides where the tow hooks are located.

I welded my crossmember fully th the frame, then using a piece of 1/4" angle steel I welded that to the TJM sub-frame. Using some allen head machine bolts, I drilled & tapped my new drop crossmember and bolted the TJM sub-frame to that.

This pictures shows it pretty clearly:



I have not had any problems even with HARD winching since this was done. Hope this helps <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Harry,

I remounted my IFS-spec. bullbar to my '86 truck after the SAS. I cut all of the IFS mounting points off of the bottom of the bumper and installed it with the bolts that attach it to the stock IFS front crossmember. I then had a friend weld on some plates that would utilize the spring eye bolts for mounting:



In the near future, I plan to do what David did to add a bit more strength, More bolts is better right? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I have a few more pics if you are interested.
 

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My TJM bumper was made for my IFS setup, when I did the SAS I cut the bottom mounts of the bumper off, added a plate and then bolted the bottom of the bumper to the new plate....



Your Bumper is going to be a little different but with a little fab work it should fit. Get out the hot wrench, welder and a beer and show it who's boss.
 

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Thanks a lot for all of the helpful advice and pictures guys! I really appreciate it. Jim, if you could e-mail me those pics I would appreciate it. I am thinking about buying CAZ's Bull Bar but I have to make it fit on my truck. He doesn't seem to like it anymore.

One more question. Any idea on how much these things weigh? I have heard anywhere from 45 to 160 lbs. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> and if it is really that heavy I am going to have to pass. Maybe I should just ask CAZ to weigh the one he has...
 

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Well there you go - 3 different ways to do it <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>Well there you go - 3 different ways to do it <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Yeah, more than I was expecting, and all in only a couple of hours. I guess that you can be a nice guy after all David. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

It looks like Chris used stock front mounts on the 4Runner though, so the mounting was a little different than with the All-Pro front crossmember (or DRM's similar design). Still enough pictures and information here though to get me started.

[ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]
 

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Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
<STRONG>Yeah, more than I was expecting, and all in only a couple of hours. I guess that you can be a nice guy after all David. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
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Oh jeez, don't let that get out <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

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It looks like Chris used stock front mounts on the 4Runner though, so the mounting was a little different than with the All-Pro front crossmember (or DRM's similar design). Still enough pictures and information here though to get me started.

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Yeah, Chris did his SAS before All Pro came out with their kit-form dropped mount. Also, he had a TJM, which used a significantly different mounting system than the ARB.

Harry and Brian, e-mail me and I'll reply with the rest of those images for ya'.
 

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Just convince CAZ to go to the Fall Gathering and bring it with him!!
 

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Originally posted by ToyTech:
<STRONG>Yeah, Chris did his SAS before All Pro came out with their kit-form dropped mount. Also, he had a TJM, which used a significantly different mounting system than the ARB.</STRONG>
Yeah, it looks different in the pictures, but I wasn't sure if that was because it is intended for a IFS truck. At least more images help. I have a 1" body lift too so I think that I am pretty much going to have to revise the entire mounting system.

Originally posted by blackntan:
<STRONG>Just convince CAZ to go to the Fall Gathering and bring it with him!!</STRONG>
Yeah, maybe I can get him to bring that Xtra Cab out there too. More crap to pile up in the yard at your house! At least I don't have to worry about who is going to take the torch to my new bumper! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
 

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I have a 1" body lift on my truck too, but I just left the mounting as it was w/o the body lift. It looks just fine, if ya' even care about LOOKS <IMG SRC="smilies/blush2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

I really can't say what an ARB bullbar weighs. Without the winch, I can lift mine by myself. With the winch, well, that is another story <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by Chris Geiger:
<STRONG>The TJM weighs 100 pounds without the winch.</STRONG>
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IIRC, the All-Pro tubular bumper only weighs around 40 lbs, right? Hmm... I like the look of the Bull Bars, but I don't know if I want to have a WORSE approach angle and add 60 unnecessary pounds just because I like the look.
 

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i've read that the ARB Roo Bars only weigh 65#s... if ya like the look of a Roo Bar, that's only 25 more than the allpro... approach angle is still not as good though...
 

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Thanks for the info Mean Gene. 65 pounds isn't too bad. There are those two pieces that run down under the bumper where the shackles attach that seem to get hit the most (judging from CAZ's bumper). I would probably cut and grind those off while I was making modifications. Then the approach angle wouldn't be too bad.

LOL, Mean Gene and Dirty Harry. We could be tag team wrestlers! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">
 

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I'd think 65# is a safe estimate. Mine, without the winch, is easier to lift than my bigger of my two dogs <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

As for the stuff that hangs down, a lot of that goes away once you do the cut and grind to make it fit with the SAS.
 

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Yep, 65# is about right for the ARB. I'm trying to figure out a way to build the spring mounts into my bumper and still have it removeable, the idea I'm working on should be plenty-strong and still retain every single mounting bolt. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 
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