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In your opinion?

The year (edit in, the soils engineering,drainage work was done end edit) Came thru and paved the trail, somewhere along the next few during the work I posted a thread'
Have they unpaved the trail

It has been deleted along with 2k other posts by me due to an identity theft fiasco, (safe now) my last trip in sept. 15 ended in a busted timing chain and a 3year absenteeism due to life b.s.
I got back onto the trail twice this month.
How has the trail devolved back to pre d.o.t. Days in your opinnion???

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Seems caddy got easier, and the trail above observation got rougher...
 

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dOT has nothing to do with this. You think they’re paving for the mall crawlers? Shit nothing could be farther from the truth. Eldorado is doing all they can to keep it open. I bet it’s tough with the idiots that spill fluids and don’t even grab a napkin to wipe up a small spot. Let alone the Valdez’s mess I see yearly. You guys crown the shitters and then complain. They will close the Con down soon because a few think they are entitled. Good thing I’ve got 20 years under my belt. You guys that have done nothing will regret it :flipoff2:

I bet if every rig on the trail had to kick in $100 for a pass, things would be different
 

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dOT has nothing to do with this. You think they’re paving for the mall crawlers? Shit nothing could be farther from the truth.

Good thing I’ve got 20 years under my belt. You guys that have done nothing will regret it :flipoff2:


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Yikes, sorry I did not mean to scuff up your shoes.:flipoff2:
Ok I will edit out dot.
But why is gate keeper, bronco rock (for instance) GONE???
 

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clb 017's New Vent Thread?

The Gate keeper issue is 10+/- years old. I believe the county said in hind sight it was a bad idea, I personally would like to see a gate keeper at all three staging areas.

And why is both sides of Ellis basically a gravel road? Now that the sedimentation riff raff rock is in place, the original large rocks should be reset in place.

The gearlube issue: The rigs that have a drain plug on the bottom of the diffs need a way to stop them from unscrewing when hitting rocks. Be responsible for your mess.

Paving the trail: If everybody would use wagbags and clean up after themselves and NOT go behind a bush tree, or use the shitter, there would be no need to empty the shitters, and the big poo pumper would not have to be on the trail as much having to make bypasses around the hard spots. Here's the funny thing, the poo truck is the biggest rig on the trail, it has to take bypasses for safety reasons. Now I've noticed almost everybody is taking the easy poo truck lines and the original trail is not being used. Go figure...?

My .02 : Rant over. If you want to do something positive, get involved with FOTR (Friends of the Rubicon) as a volunteer, it will give you a whole new perspective.
 

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What Tim said:D

Not really a rant tho....

I honestly do not have an issue with the "work" that was done at all.
The prius crowd hosing the trail valdez style SUX!
Odd that I saw almost no fresh oil on fordyce last weekend, but again a bit less traffic there.
 

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It's true, I do take the easiest and safest line I can find in the poo truck. I don't think I have created any new lines and I think I am on the trail 100% of the time. That being said, Tim, I think there are a TON of people who widen the trail or go off trail in order to find an easier line. I believe that's way more common than those who go off trail looking for a challenge. And yes, I do get frustrated with entitled users whining about the poo mound. If a user sh*ts all over the seat, that user ought to clean it up. It isn't the County's fault or RTF's fault that a few users are pigs:barf:. Do they live that way at home? OMG!

That being said, there are some places that people are off trail and, IMO, wrong headed about their actions...east side of Buck and a few spots above the Indian trail, Ledges in the bowl, etc. I also believe there are some spots where delineation has been intentionally removed (malicious) or accidentally pushed out of the way and people genuinely don't know where they are going.

Cadillac...has NEVER had any DOT work at all. All work on Cadillac has been done by volunteers trying to keep the trail open. For example, the new gabion there this year was funded by RTF and executed by FOTR because the trail was sloughing off and we were worried it would simply fall of the hill and we would have nothing.

GK...Tim is correct, the explosion of Bronco Rock was undertaken by El Dorado County and the Forest. The Forest has not said anything about the consequences, but the County has recognized it was too much. Their actions since then have reflected the attitude that they don't want to use explosives. There are places I think they SHOULD use explosives and they won't. Good example is the SMUD bypass at Buck, where they put in a gabion in lieu of using explosives.

Ellis...if you talk to the County they will tell you they overdid Ellis and learned from it too. Too many drainage structures put in too large. Though honestly, I never remember it as a challenge.

It is also true that the County is NOT paving for the mall crawlers. They have a couple of main objectives with respect to trail work (construction of BMPs). Reduce sedimentation (thus the rock crossings and catch basins), keep people within the trail corridor and keep the trail from widening (thus the work at Soup last year and the delineation efforts). They did put in a fair amount of structures getting their equipment in, but made a good effort at pulling them as they exited. At Nobie's Rock, for example, they pulled the big rock back into the trail as they left.

CLB, to answer your question, I think it is getting "unpaved" by vehicles and mother nature over time.

I also think it's gonna take time and responsibility. If EVERY sanitation, trash, off trail travel, illegal fire, oil spill, alcohol related, or sedimentation issue was solved by the users by pro-active and responsible actions, there would be no need for any of this.
 

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Thank you for that !

Man the last paragraph would be a thing of beauty to behold.

The trail is still open (win)
The idiot's \whiners still show up (fail)
Status quo!

Last trip in sept. Rocked.
 
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