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got my hy steer [marlin]i have a 85 4runner w/44044's and 35's. took off old box.ground the braket from inside frame.installing the ifs box the directins say to move the box as far forwerd as posible and that i can't use the old holes, it looks like i can use one of them do i move the box forwerd to mis the hole or use it.?and do the wedges that go on the top go point to the frunt?i looked for a serch and found no info that helped is there a web page with details? thanks <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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Hey man, I was the guy in the white '84 that you followed out from Rubicon springs on Drew's bash early in the summer. When I mounted my box, I used an existing hole and went from there, however I'd say to mount it as far forward as possible to get away from any binding problems with the hy-steer when moving the axle forward should you ever want to do it more. You can use that hole and it'll work fine. As far as the bracket that sits on top of the frame, I don't think it matters. I think the wedges go toward the back on mine. Whatever works, good luck with that.
 

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hay tim thanks good to here from you i have some ok pics from that trip but do not know how to post them any way thanks for the info haw hy up are your holes if i sit box on the wedges the holes are about 3/4 the way down the frame <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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I just installed mine and as Cris says 7"
back from front of frame rail. It works out
to be about 1/2" in front of that hole. I
notched out the top bumper mount bracket and
set my box against the radiator support(as
far foward as possible) good luck, take your
time make sure its right before drilling and
welding.
 

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I would personally weld both of the factory ones shut and redrill new holes. I did on mine and it's not too bad with a sharp bit. Make sure you reinforce the frame while you're doing the box install at least on the inside of the frame. If you don't do it now, you'll probably end up doing it on some trail. Wedges are the sharp end of the top bracket? If so, they face the radiator.
 

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This is the best picture that I have on the computer.
<IMG width=640 height=480 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/hysteer.jpg">

And here is a closer picture.
<IMG width=470 height=354 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/hysteer2.jpg">

I put mine about 3/4" forward and about 1" higher than the hole the yellow arrow is pointing to. This let me rotate the box to allow for more pitman arm clearance. I had to trim a lot of the body mount support out but I was able to do it. Right now the box just about touches the radiator support and the IFS pitman arm just clears frame.

The pictures are of 44044 with using the stock front hanger and a 2" longer shackle. I also removed the bottom leaf of the 44044 to give it a little lower stance (1/2") and more flex. Right now if I run the right rear tire up on something the Tierod end on the pitman arm hits the spring. I tring to get a hold of a arm that has the taper going the other way so I can run the tie rod end on top of the pitman arm. Does this happen to you other guys?
 

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Right now if I run the right rear tire up on something the Tierod end on the pitman arm hits the spring.
I noticed that I have the same problem of the rod end hitting my springs when I have the drivers side front tire tucked up. Mine hits early in the flex though. When I noticed it, I had the back half of the spring negatively arched a few degrees and the front half was holding strong on the rod end. I was thinking I was going to use a flatter pitman arm. I believe the FJ80 one is flatter? I'm very interested in hearing other possible solutions to this though.

Here is the best picture I can find of my current setup.
 

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Originally posted by BigBadBob:
<STRONG>I noticed that I have the same problem of the rod end hitting my springs when I have the drivers side front tire tucked up.
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You mounted teh box wrong... I've seen a LOT of people mounting the box with the sector shaft perpendicular to the ground - this is not the right way to do it because of the exact reason you mention.

Mount the box such that the pitman arm barely misses the frame when the wheel is turned to the right. This will require that you tilt the box forward (as viewed from the drivers side, the front of the box should be tilted way forward).

I've been in the place you are, and I pulled the box and remounted it (twice) to get everything where it needed to be...

bkg
 

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From my understanding the FJ80 Arm is actually a 2" drop pitman arm which would make it worse. Well atleast that is what I have heard.
 

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Did anyone else think for a second that BigBadBob had his truck supported by two stacked milk crates? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></font>

[ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: MasterYota ]
 

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Rick and Bob, you guys are running crossover steering, not histeer right? I don't even come close with my Allpro Hysteer setup with my 44044's. Hell, I haven't even mounted up bumpstops, don't really need them. Maybe it's something about crossover arms?
 

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I have histeer. Using parts mike hi steer arms bent 15 degrees and a 1/2" spacer so that the darn tie rod would clear the darn springs.
 

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Originally posted by MasterYota:
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Did anyone else think for a second that BigBadBob had his truck supported by two stacked milk crates? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></font>

[ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: MasterYota ]</STRONG>
nooooo. Just used it to prop up the springs as we were checking how square everything was. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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I also have Hysteer. I'm using "Sky Manufacturing" arms. with a 1 1/4" OD tie rod it just barely clears the spring clamps on the 44044's with the sterring turned to lock.

<IMG width=640 height=480 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/hysteer1.jpg">
 

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A picture of the inside of the frame rail and some 1/4" plate.

<IMG width=440 height=330 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/steering2.JPG">
 

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Just took some Picts of mine:
<IMG width=576 height=432 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/hysteer_steering_box_1.jpg">
<IMG width=576 height=432 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/hysteer_steering_box_2.jpg">

On flat ground the pitman arm nut is about 3 1/4" away from my spring and my tierod end is about 3 5/8" away from my spring, which apperently is not enough for me. How far away are yours?
 
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