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The stock power steering pump on my 5.0 (originaly in a Lincoln Town car), does not like my new 38.50x14.50 SX tires.
The pump would get hot after just a few minutes in the rocks, and start puking up its fluid. In a modification to get through the weekend, I took my aluminum, 1 quart radiator overflow bottle, and plumbed it inline with low pressure side of the pump, and mounted outside the engine compartment, along the fender well. This increased the fluid capacity by over a quart and also allowed the fluid to release some of heat while traveling through the system. the set up worked a lot better, but would still get hot in prolonged rock crawling situations, and start whining and gurggeling.
I plan to run a cooler and retain the additional resorvoir, but the fact is the pump is not strong enough to handle the chores.
What would be a good bulletproof pump? The configuration of the 5.0 makes it so addapting bracketry to accomodate any viable pump is not to difficult.
Any ideas, Are the pumps that Ford uses on the F350 any stronger than the Linoln unit? They look identical, axcept for the ammount of ribs on the pulley(6 verses 7 for the truck), this would be a simple upgrade, and could be bought at a truck salvage for cheap. The pump will need to be able to handle the volumes and pressure of hydraulic assist also, which will be going in, in the next month or so.
Thanks for any help.
 

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I added a small, high quality cooler to mine. It works great, so far.

While I did not experience any problems on the trail, I did have trouble on the highway with the 100+ deg temps.

One day while driving I saw fluid coming up from where the hoops used to be on the hood. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

So that is when I decided on a cooler. I am still running a cheap rebuild with a lifetime warrantee.
 

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my friend just converted to a saginaw type using some type of e-150 van brackets. the saginaw pump was stock on the van. 4 wheel and sport utility magazine showed this conversion. i'll look for the year you need the brackets off of. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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If it came out of a Ford van, i would think it is the same pump they are using in their V8 cars, and trucks. I would really like to know if their is beefed up engineering or better components in the truck and van versions. The car version, I just dont think is strong, enough. maybe Im wrong and my present unit was about to let go anyway, and the new meats just drove the last nail in the coffin.
I dont want to be screwing around with steering issues, as Hammer season is only weeks away.
As far as bracketry goes, thats not a problem, I can fab up whatever I need. I just need to get a rock solid pump. hell I dont care if it comes off of a Freightliner, or Kenworth.
 

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I would Look into A diesel Pump it Operate's at Lower RPM's and Allows Higher Volume Of Fluid To Pass At Lower RPM this Is the Set Up I will be Using With My Hydraulic Assist Setup

But I run A chevy Motor talk to Dean About this One !!!!!! He Has Experimented With Different type's Of Pumps And Said He has Figured it Out!!!

Worst case Senerio You will have to Fab bracket's For Serpentine Setup!!
 

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Originally posted by Adam Ant:
<STRONG>I would Look into A diesel Pump it Operate's at Lower RPM's and Allows Higher Volume Of Fluid To Pass At Lower RPM this Is the Set Up I will be Using With My Hydraulic Assist Setup

But I run A chevy Motor talk to Dean About this One !!!!!! He Has Experimented With Different type's Of Pumps And Said He has Figured it Out!!!

Worst case Senerio You will have to Fab bracket's For Serpentine Setup!!</STRONG>
Can you post or PM Deans number.
I want to get this thing behind me this week. I ordered a tranny cooler with a fan, from Summit, that I will run the fluid through. I will also keep the 1 quart aluminum reservoir, but will plumb it a bit better than I did on the trail. It will have plenty of fluid and cooling capacity.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate the help.
 

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Here's my .02 worth, I have a 74' Bronc w/ a
302. It came with a crappy ol' TRW pump, I
swapped to a Saginaw pump off of an 86' Ford
E -150 w/fuel injection . The pulley should
exchange to your motor but not sure .I used
the stock waterpump bracket but had to make
a new adjustment slot, also have to change
the fitting on the back of the pump. If you
have any ? ' s e-mail me @ [email protected]
Hope this helps ya' out. dump' <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I PM'd Ya Bro!!!

let me Know If Anything Goes Good

If you Have Too??????

I have Ram's Here To Install

For Hydralic Assist And Dean Can Tap you'r Box I can order Lines And fab Some Shiat and You'r Done !!! This is Poss too!!

Let me Know!!! Alway's there To Help Carnage!!!!!

Adam,
 

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Let us know what Dean has to say. There was a write up on Off-Road.com's Internatioal site on shimming the stock pump for more pressure. My brother in law did it and said he noticed a difference. I have the write up somewhere if you need it.
 

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I have an AGR and it is VERY nice, however, when I took it to my PS guy to have it pressed into the res., he told me it was a 1975 Cadillac pump and he sells them for $40, not $150 like I paid.

I think they tweak the output valve too.
 

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My advice would be to get anything other then another Ford unit. They all suck after a bit. A buddy of mine has gone through 4 AGR Ford P/S pumps on his truck in the last year. He is only running 33's too! The darn thing still refuses to turn at times too. I would say saginaw with your cooler would work better then any Ford type of pump. Plus the plastic on the Ford's tend to crack after a bit and develop leaks.
 

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I'd recommend a Chevy Pump to start, the diesel idea makes some sense too.
Someone must know the bracket fabbing required.
I've got an assortment of small coolers you can try, but w/the Summit/fan unit temp should be cured (you can always run more than one if need be).
66CJDean does have the tap and ram deal on a Saginaw box figured out, believe he learned from CAMO.
I'd recommend hooking up w/Dean or Adam Ant and doin the full hydro deal ASAP - CALROCS!
 

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Thanks Craig,Adam Ant.
I tried to get a hold of dean this morning with no luck.
I would like to get a better box (Saginaw, or other) installed this week, and make sure its all working well. I deffinitely need a ram assist before Amador.
Can you guys get a hold of Dean, and have him call me, or do you have another number for him?
My cell# 916-257-9299
Thanks
 

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Originally posted by H8monday:
<STRONG>If it came out of a Ford van, i would think it is the same pump they are using in their V8 cars, and trucks. </STRONG>

Actually the vans DID use Saginaw pumps. Once you have that bracket just get a pump from a GM van with a hydroboost brake system. Then you've got about 1200PSI.. pretty much there with the agr pumps.. without the cost.
 

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Use a pump that comes from a vehicle with hydro-boost and yes a diesel pump seems to work best due to the lower rpm but more because they seem to come boosted from the factory I think to make up for the added weight of the diesel motor. Adam is giveing me too much praise.
 

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I'm useing a NAPA rebuilt hydroboost pump from a 83 diesel suburban,and a 8x12 oil cooler (stacked plate type) for my full hydro set-up. I'm getting 1500 psi at full lock (at idle) and it never gets over 160 degrees. The GM hydroboost and some of the vans had a small additional resevoir with a dipstick that is pretty easy to work with.
 

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When I ordered up my small trans cooler (to use as a powersteering cooler) from Summit I also ordered up some Redline synthetic power steering fluid. Redlineoil.com They claim it handles the heat better, ect... I haven't had any steering troubles since (a year now), but I added the cooler and fluid at the same time so can't say if it mattered or not. $pendy stuff, but if it helps keep the steering alive when you need it wtf. <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by 66CJdean:
<STRONG>Use a pump that comes from a vehicle with hydro-boost and yes a diesel pump seems to work best due to the lower rpm but more because they seem to come boosted from the factory I think to make up for the added weight of the diesel motor. Adam is giveing me too much praise.</STRONG>
Dean,
Does it matter that Im running a serpentine belt set up? Do they come in a serpentine pulley configuration, or can I adapt one?
Do the hydro boost pumps, have the same configuration as a saginaw(as far as bracketry is concerned)?
 

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I just went out and eyeballed the pump in my 79 1ton GMC, it was originally a diesel, and the pump is a hydroassist but does NOT look any different externally than any other GM tear drop style pump. I wonder if there was a Ford diesel near by you could look at that runs the serpentine and maybe notice to see if you could modify the brackets to work on the 5.0. I have to believe an F350 diesel has a better pump than a gas 150. Might be easier to start there than to rig the GM pump to your motor.
My dually is'nt serpentine
 
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