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Hi all, this post would mostly pertain to anyone who wheels at the Los Coyotes Indian Reservation in Warner Springs Ca. I'm going to post this on the ORC, Pirate, and 4x4 wire boards.

I'm pissed. A friend and I went on an impromptu wheeling trip yesterday to LCIR and saw a lot of something we didn't used to see: TRASH and a total disregard for the environment. This is the second time I've seen this in two consecutive trips. I'm talking garbage all over the place and not just the usual beer/soda cans/bottles but what appears to be house hold trash. I actually had bill statements ,etc.. and was going to call the people to tell them their trash is finding it's way up to the top tower but I accidentally threw it away the bags of other trash I collected throughout the day. My buddy collected a few bags too. I witnessed people, way too drunk to be driving at all, just tossing beer cans over their shoulders and things like that.(That can made back into that individual's vehicle.) This was in between destroying their vehicles and the train they were attempting to traverse. One guy opened his door, a bunch of cans fell out, just shut the door and walked away. My girlfriend got on him for that one. I also saw more "inocent" acts of litter as cans spilled out of people's vehicles in off camber situations. (picked those cans up too)

Anway, this is the best place for a San Diego person to wheel locally. If it closes, we will have to do some serious driving to find anything else that compares. The Indians have repeatedly threatened to close this place because of the trash issue. These practices need to stop.

People if you can't respect this place(or any place for that matter), or keep your alcohol intake to a low enough level that you retain the respect throughout the day, do the rest of the wheeling comunity a favor and sell your damn truck. We all love this sport and spend a ton of time and dough on it. We don't do this so drunk jack asses can ruin it for everyone.

Also, be careful where you actually place your trash in your vehicle so it stays there as you make your way down the trails.

Like is said, this is the second time. A few months ago it was a bunch of drunk members of our armed forces(no offense meant), there with their kids, speeding through the camp grounds, completely ripped, cussing, throwing beer cans all over the place, and making us wheelers look like really bad. They rolled a 35K$ F150 quad cab that day and totalled it.

I'm going to move this post on to another related topic......As I'm sure you gathered, the alcohol thing came up repeatedly. This is no accident. We didn't get back home until almost midnight last night because we helped 2 people who, are you ready for this:

Went out alone in a vehicle that the guy had owned for 1 week.
Started having rear end trouble early in the day near the main road where they could have left for home, or at least been easily towed. Instead they continued father back into the reservation.
Lost all brakes in the vehicle. Again, could have turned back, or at least tried to fix it. Instead the wheeled farther back into the reservation.
By the time we found them, it was dark, they were have engine trouble which we could not, after some serious effort repair, the rear diff was destroyed, had no brakes (torn lines), and were down in a gulley. They had shorts/t-shirts, the temperature was dropping, had no food/water only beer and 4-5 hour walk back to camp let alone down to town. The kicker is, they were hell bent on driving this wreck back to camp. All this was avoidable and imo, caused by excessive drinking. If these guys had tried to go down some of the off camber grades we had to descend,(like I said, the owner was not going to leave his truck out there) they would have surely rolled and probably been injured. There is no cell service out there, they would have been on their own until someone happended upon them or one of them walked back to camp. Luckily, after we told them we couldn't help them anymore, couldn't tow the truck with out it running in to us etc..., couldn't fix it, and we were exhsausted ourselves at this point, they came along and we took them back to civilization.

The moral here is obvious, don't drink too much. Wheelers help each other but this was border line ridiculous. If these guys had more sense, ie were more sober, the owner could be spending his hard earned dough on enhancements instead of repairs.


Peace out,

Frank.
 

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Ok, number one: Why did you go to LCIR and not invite me along!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

There is a serious problem going on up there with the trash. Labor Day weekend I ended up cleaning up a campsite that the people had left thier fire burning and trash every where.

Another problem up there, the are NO lids for the trash cans so the crows and bluejays throw garbage around. If you are up there, please put something over the trash cans!!!
 

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Originally posted by jack4x4:
[QB]Ok, number one: Why did you go to LCIR and not invite me along!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

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Sorry man, like I said the trip was sort of last minute kinda "hey lets go wheelin' tomorrow morning." Otherwise, I'll always put up some posts to see if anyone want to come.

Frank.
 
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