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Ok - another question while I look at possible "projects". Does anyone wheel their IFS truck in the rocks? What type of lift and tires? Any way to "beef up" the weak links without doing a SAS?

Just curious - the SAS looks to be pretty spendy if you can't fabricate/weld.

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if your looking for a project why start with IFS? there are people who wheel there IFS but with the number of SAS going on I think its obvious its not a great setup
 

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If you really want it to work in the rocks it is going to get spendy no matter what you do. The reason I say this is because even if you stick with IFS by the time you are done beefing it up or go with a long travel kit you will have spent a significant amount of money.

There are a few rockcrawling IFS rigs out there. Dave Brill takes his 4Runner in the rocks, but he has spent a significant amount of money on the long travel balljoints. Similarly, Scott Ellinger thrashes his IFS truck and even makes components for others, but they basically replace all of the stock IFS components and it is arguable whether this is a more cost effective option or not. Drew Persson (his website doesn't seem to be working) wheeled his IFS 'Runner on hard trails for a long time with only a mild lift and a body/drivetrain lift with good success. Low gears kept his rig in one piece. Still, he is now in the process of putting a FJ80 solid front axle under his truck.

Besides, I thought that we already convinced you to get an FJ80 anyway. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by FJ4ZROX:
<STRONG>Ok - another question while I look at possible "projects". Does anyone wheel their IFS truck in the rocks? What type of lift and tires? Any way to "beef up" the weak links without doing a SAS?
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Just try it. I took my stock, open-diff, sagging Tacoma through the mini-rubicon at Hollister without spinning a tire or even a hint of body damage. If you get good at driving your IFS truck through some hardcore stuff, I figure you'll be an awesome driver when you get your hands on one with a SA.

Just drive slow and you're not going to break things. Obviously you can't make a rack and pinion push your truck off of rocks. There are some things your IFS truck will never do. I say keep it stock and learn to drive. When you get the money, do the swap.
 

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<IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> IFS for wheeling <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> I can hook you up with someone who can help ya out with the welding on that swap up in Redding for cheap. Send me an e-mail at [email protected]

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I've been wheelin' my IFS on the rocks for some time and it does ok....then I drove my buds SA rig on the same rocks and there is no comparison. Get the SAS and be done with it! By the time you spend the money on the lift and other components you could have done the SAS. It's all about articulation and the IFS has none.........
 

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I guess it depends on the rig...I ran my runner basicly stock for about a year. The modifications that I did then, were simple stuff that would transfer over when I eventualy did the SAS. I put the 3" body lift, so I could clear 33". Then I worked the motor so It was a little stronger. But that was about it for 8-9months. I wheeled it about as far a an IFS can wheel... The biggest thing the pissed me off about it is that you can NEVER keep 4 tires on the ground...NEVER. At one point I had the right back tire about 3 and half feet off the ground, and it was on a simple obstical. Soon after I did the swap...Said and done it only set me back about $2,300... And I'll never look back an question it...

The IFS is O.K. for most stuff. and the stock stuff is remarkably strong, The intire time I had IFS I only broke 1 U-joint....

You'll defenatly get the moneys' worth by a SAS.
 

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Who was it that said "there's no feeling like 3 wheeling"? IFS just plain pisses you off sometimes, especially when you see a solid or SAS rig walk through like it's nothing.
 

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I ran my IFS on the rocks a lot until I got my current rig. The best thing I did was build a 5/16th thick skid plate under the front diff, from the front A-arm mount to the back one and used it to slide across the rocks. Twice through the little sluice, Dusy once, Rubicon 3 times, Swamp Lake a few times, etc.
 

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My truck does fine.I'm clearing 35's with a 3" body lift.Geared decent and locked in the rear and I haven't had any problems.
 

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Running my IFS for awhile taught me good tire placement. It finally bent back about 3 inches with the 4 in. lift. Cut it off. It hits on everything. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Take advantage of hte guy that said he would hook you up with a welding guy!

Just wheel your IFS for awhile be careful not to break, I have seen alot of IFS yotas take a beating, yota IFS is probably the best out there...BUT Its still IFS and you can polish a turd all you want, but its still a turd.

You will spend alot of $$$ upgrading the IFS and in the end you'll still want a solid axle.

My suggestion is just get out in the hills and havve fun for now, all the while gathering parts. it is amazing how cheap you can get stuff when its not a nessesity.

When you get your stuff together, put the axle on stands and go throught it in your spare time, You can wait on the gears/or locker for a while and it will still wheel better! Plus going this route you may havve less than a week of downtime when you get all the parts and cash!
 

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Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
<STRONG>Drew Persson (his website doesn't seem to be working) wheeled his IFS 'Runner on hard trails for a long time with only a mild lift and a body/drivetrain lift with good success. Low gears kept his rig in one piece. Still, he is now in the process of putting a FJ80 solid front axle under his truck.
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Sorry, in the middle of changing servers and the site probably won't be up again for several days yet!
 

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The IFS does good for what it is/was <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
It will take a beating and keep on going....And besides I dont think you would want to catch 4 feet of air in a solid axle truck and then keep driving it without getting out to look for broken parts.....It handled so well hauling ass down the bumpy roads <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by kyle:
<STRONG>My truck does fine.I'm clearing 35's with a 3" body lift.Geared decent and locked in the rear and I haven't had any problems.</STRONG>
wow <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> any pics?
 

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35's 4.88's 3in body, open diffs LOTS right foot. Been on the rubicon/fordyce/jergens many times
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Wow sweet truck!
Yeah I run an IFS on the rocks it does ok but I wish I had more articulation. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> After seeing solid axle trucks perform on rocks I am sold on them.
 

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I have pounded the shit oughta' my IFS 'yota and have taken it to its extremes and there is nothing more I can do except keep breaking axles. I now break 2 at a time and thats enough... SAS conv. has started. <IMG SRC="smilies/massey.gif" border="0">
 

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C-DUB, i saw your rig at that toy shop over by river city diffs a few weeks ago.....had some chewed up wires on the AFM........did you get it fixed? ....oh and about IFS, i run 37's and a detroit in the rear......dunno how its gonna hold up yet, dont have front gears in yet <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> soon tho........sooooooooooon <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">
 
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