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Counter the news, present reasonable facts and measures. Offer things like funding for testing at the state and local level. I even get shutting schools down for a couple weeks. I get closing hospitals and nursing home visitations.

But, playing into this mass hysteria and letting the economy take a hit this big over what amounts to a slightly higher than normal risk for immunocompromised and elderly people is insane.
News crew confronted :laughing:

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there is a chasm between doing nothing and forcing business' to close because they might have 25 people in a state that might have 25 cases

i am much more comfortable with the initial measures before the big dickmanship from the governors office came in to play.

travel ban to/from china. obviously. keeping the cruise liner at sea, practical.

travel ban to/from EU, acceptable, starting to push it. travel with monitoring from places not called italy? More reasonable.

daily updates on scope. currently doing

hygiene reminders, identify high risk groups as it becomes apparent, those sorts of things.

king county/seattle: closing schools and shutting down everything. sure, they are the current epicenter.

yakima county: being under the same guidance as king county simply because the fuckwit governor wants to be "active" and the whole state is only I5 corridor anyway? Fuck him.
ya thats a good point, they had all of these other measures in place, but only for a short time

probly could have left those in place for a bit longer before going full shutdown mode
 

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Counter the news, present reasonable facts and measures. Offer things like funding for testing at the state and local level. I even get shutting schools down for a couple weeks. I get closing hospitals and nursing home visitations.

But, playing into this mass hysteria and letting the economy take a hit this big over what amounts to a slightly higher than normal risk for immunocompromised and elderly people is insane.
agreed readily available testing facilities would put people at ease, and find the coronies quick

thats probly the .govs biggest missed opportunity

they could have just done it around major fly-in cities as well and saved a few bucks
 

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agreed readily available testing facilities would put people at ease, and find the coronies quick

thats probly the .govs biggest missed opportunity

they could have just done it around major fly-in cities as well and saved a few bucks
https://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/target-walgreens-cvs-and-walmart-offer-drive-through-coronavirus-testing/2244586

The White House said Friday that some retail parking lot space will be used for drive-through coronavirus testing.

The news came after the White House met with executives from the retail, pharmaceutical and technology industries to discuss development of a web portal that would direct people to drive-through sites for coronavirus testing, according to people familiar with the plan.

President Donald Trump and top health officials met with executives from Walmart, Target, CVS, Walgreens, LabCorp, Quest Diagnostics and Roche Diagnostics, according to the people, who asked not to be named discussing internal deliberations. Executives from the technology industry were also invited.

The White House said later that Thermo Fisher Scientific, Signify Health, LHC Group and Becton, Dickinson and Company were also invited.
march 13

not a missed opportunity. oh wait, the white house put it out and it doesn't encourage panic, so obviously the media needed to bury/blast it as a failure.
 

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Another futile attempt by humans to circumvent Natural Selection. Saving a relatively small % of lives now in exchange for further weakened gene pool only means a more massive catastrophe in the future.
 

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Another futile attempt by humans to circumvent Natural Selection. Saving a relatively small % of lives now in exchange for further weakened gene pool only means a more massive catastrophe in the future.
Are you referring to your future posts?
 

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The words quarantine were said by Dow Constantine (king county executive)!!!!
Water is getting warmer in this pot!!!!!


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oh nice!, but orange man bad? :flipoff2:

i called kaiser (hospital) on thursday and long story short, if youre not dying then gtfo

thanks kaiser...
i mean, that is a valid position.

it isn't like they can cure a virus. all they do is treat symptoms. if you aren't dying you don't NEED to go to the hospital. all that would be doing is adding to the panic/stretching resources/wasting beds/wasting time.

not like a broken bone where it can be set and cast. much easier to put yourself into bed and treat the symptoms by yourself compared to doing your own set and cast on an arm

if you are dying, go to the hospital

edit: that highlights a huge issue that i have with the single payer systems, they want to run everybody to the hospital because "it's a right" so there is no incentive to self ration. there's already too many fuckwits that run to the ER with a sniffle for no reason.
 

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People calling these measures too drastic or part of some NWO plan should take a look at what happens when you don't try and flatten the curve. I've been saying this for a while, that there are not going to be enough available ventilators if it really gets going in the older population.

ECDC: COVID-19 not containable, set to overwhelm hospitals
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In a stark and urgent COVID-19 risk assessment update today, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) said that, in a few weeks or even days, other countries in the region may face huge surges that mirror those of China and Italy.

It advised countries to quickly shift to mitigation strategies to protect vulnerable people and prevent overwhelmed hospitals.

Reports of dire conditions in hospitals in Italy's hot spots have been circulating on social media for the past few weeks and are now appearing in medical journal and media reports. The ECDC acknowledges that high numbers of patients needing ventilation have exceeded intensive care unit (ICU) capacity in some healthcare facilities in northern Italy.

Life-and-death decisions in Italy's inundated hospitals
In a Lancet report today, two authors from Italy said the percentage of COVID-19 patients needing ICU treatment has ranged from 9% to 11% and that ICUs will be at maximum capacity if that trend continues for 1 more week. They predicted that Italy will need 4,000 more ICU beds over the next month, a challenge given that the country has about 5,200 ICU beds.

In the hard-hit Lombardy region, healthcare workers have been working around the clock. About 350 (20%) have been infected, and some have died, according to the report. Italy's government is considering hiring 20,000 more medical workers and providing 5,000 more ventilators. Unless the measures are implemented in the next few days, they wrote, otherwise-avoidable deaths will occur.

"Intensive care specialists are already considering denying life-saving care to the sickest and giving priority to those patients most likely to survive when deciding who to provide ventilation to," they wrote. "In the near future, they will have no choice. They will have to follow the same rules that health-care workers are left with in conflict and disaster zones."

Countries on track for Hubei scenarios, ECDC warns
In its assessment today, the ECDC said the risk of severe disease is moderate for the general population but high for older people and those with underlying medical conditions. Increased community transmission may exceed health system capacities in the coming weeks, it said, and countries should act now to step up hospital infection control and surge capacity.

The ECDC said estimates for hospital care suggest that most European countries could reach Hubei province scenarios by the end of March, with all countries reaching that point by mid-April.

The group urged member countries to implement social distancing measures such as cancelling mass gatherings and cordoning off hotspots early to slow outbreaks and give health systems more time to prepare for an influx of patients.

The ECDC also recommended that countries designate COVID-19 facilities to minimize the transmission to other patients and conserve personal protective equipment (PPE) and identify facilities for managing those with milder symptoms. When resources are stretched or limited, the ECDC said countries should take rational approaches to conserve testing, contact tracing, PPE use, and hospitalization for high-yield situations.

Italy's health ministry today reported 2,651 new cases and 189 more deaths, raising its respective totals to 15,113 cases and 1,016 deaths. Spain's total today rose to 3,126 cases, with the addition of 782 more today. France's total rising to 2,876, with the addition of 595 more. The United Kingdom reported 134 new cases, boosting its total to 590.

Several European countries announced more steps to curb the spread of the virus. For example, Slovakia declared a state of emergency and shut schools and major airports, and the Netherlands banned events of more than 100 people and urged citizens to work from home, if possible.

Iran surge continues; country requests IMF support
Iran, the third worst-hit country, today reported 1,075 new cases and 75 more deaths, raising its respective totals to 10,075 and 429. The country today asked the International Monetary Fund for $5 billion in emergency funding to help it battle COVID-19, its first such request since 1962, Bloomberg News reported.

In a related development, the World Health Organization (WHO) today said a 5-day expert mission with its partners, including the Robert Koch Institute and China, wrapped up work earlier this week. In a press release, the WHO said the group found that the country is moving in the right direction with its response, taking a comprehensive approach with case management, labs, and risk communication as the strong points.

However, WHO officials said more work is needed in several priority areas, including epidemiological data collection and analysis, which is key to understanding how the outbreak is evolving and what control measures are needed. Also, the group said more efforts are needed to protect healthcare workers.

South Korea cases decline again
South Korea today reported 114 new cases, with 6 more deaths, raising its overall respective totals to 7,869 and 66, according to the Korea Center for Disease Control. It said 80% of cases are linked to clusters, including 99 illnesses recently linked to an insurance company call center in Seoul.

In other developments in Asia:

Japan today reported 55 more cases, 6 of them listed as asymptomatic carriers, from 11 prefectures, according to the country's health ministry. Its overall total is 602, plus 72 asymptomatic carriers.

Singapore today reported 9 more cases, 3 linked to a dinner function, 5 imported, and 1 under investigation, raising the total to 187, the health ministry said in an update. In a separate statement, the country's Islamic Religious Council announced the temporary closure of mosques after 90 citizens attended a mass event in Kuala Lumpur, where several tested positive for COVID-19.

China today reported 15 new cases, 8 from Hubei province, as well as 11 more deaths, raising its overall total to 80,793, which includes 3,169 deaths, according to the country's National Health Commission.
 

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So a governor can? I don't know and it appears from what I've searched only the President can. That's why I asked.
gubner controls national guard.

national guard is plenty happy to kill people if the local police don't want to.



i mean, help out. the national guard is always willing to help out their community in an emergency. assist :)


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/487505-national-guard-activated-in-six-states-to-help-fight-coronavirus

6 states have apparently already activated their guard units to begin helping out :)
 
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