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Sorry to pad but, has anyone else heard about this: Environmentalists are believed to be responsible for a bombing on some lumber trucks. Did anyone happen to catch the whole story??
 

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<font color="yellow">I'm just going to put in my vote right now... I'll say it was ELF, it sounds along their line of tactics... but I'm just guessing..</font c>
 

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<font color="yellow">Just got this off the LUN... so do I get to choose a teddy bear??</font c>

Shadowy Eco-Militants Stepping Up Arson Campaign
Friday, June 01, 2001


PORTLAND, Ore. — The Earth Liberation Front, a shadowy group blamed for costly arson attacks across the country, is stepping up efforts to punish companies and institutions it says are threatening the environment, the FBI said Friday.
The ELF this week posted a manual on its Web site that tells would-be arsonists how to build simple incendiary devices.
On Friday, the group claimed responsibility for fires last month at the University of Washington and a tree farm in Oregon. Several hours earlier, three logging trucks were torched in an Oregon forest. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, and federal authorities were investigating.
FBI officials said the group is making good on a promise it made earlier this year to ratchet up the violence. The agency considers the ELF one of the nation's most dangerous terrorist groups.
"I don't think there's any doubt the ELF is upping the ante," said Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Portland.
No one has been hurt in the ELF's four-year spree of violence and the group has said its aim is to protect the environment, not harm anyone.
But the FBI worries it's only a matter of time before a firefighter or someone else is harmed.
"The Earth Liberation Front says it doesn't commit violent acts that hurt people," Steele said. "But arson fires are unpredictable."
The ELF and a sister organization — the Animal Liberation Front — have claimed responsibility for more than two dozen acts of vandalism since 1997 — arson at three luxury homes in Mount Sinai, N.Y., sabotaged logging equipment in Indiana and a 1998 fire that caused $12 million damage at the Vail, Colo., ski resort.
On Friday, the ELF claimed responsibility for two May 21 arson fires — one at the Jefferson Poplar Farms in Clatskanie, Ore., and the other at the University of Washington Center for Urban Horticulture in Seattle.
Both operations are developing hybrid poplar trees. The fire at the university caused as much as $3 million in structural damage; the Oregon fire caused at least $500,000 in damage.
Before dawn on Friday, someone tried to torch six logging trucks at a company in Eagle Creek, 40 miles southeast of Portland. One truck was destroyed and two others were damaged. Plastic milk jugs were found beneath the trucks, apparently filled with a flammable liquid.
The trucks were going to be used for harvesting trees at a nearby site in the Mount Hood National Forest. For the past two years, environmental activists have been trying to block logging at the site.
Steele said it is not yet known who torched the trucks. Truck owner Ray A. Schoppert Logging Inc. and the Oregon Council Against Arson each offered a $1,000 reward for information.
Steele refrained from blaming the ELF and said usually their claims of responsibility for an arson attack are delayed.
The FBI suspects the reason for delays in the past is the ELF wants to make sure no one was hurt before asserting responsibility, Steele said.
"These are not stupid people," she said.
Little is known about the ELF. The group's spokesman, Craig Rosebraugh, owns a vegan bakery in Portland.
Rosebraugh says he sympathizes with the ELF, but insists his only involvement is forwarding to the news media the group's claims of responsibility for attacks.
If information on the group's Web site is to be trusted, the ELF has no leadership, centralized organization or official membership. Instead, it operates in "small groups that consist of one to several people" and each cell is anonymous, not just to the public, but also to one another.
Earlier this week, a manual on how to make incendiary devices appeared on the Web site. The guide counsels: "Always strive for guaranteed destruction."
Steele said the FBI was aware of the site but she did not know if it was legal.
 

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"the FBI was aware of the site but she did not know if it was legal." <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> Let me answer that, hmmm,YES <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">
We all have a right to the freedom of speech, until it harms people, that's why we don't yell "Fire" in the theater. The fire didn't directly physically injure a person, but what do you bet the people who owned those trucks made a living from them. I'm not one to usually say this sort of stuff, but I hope they all burn in hell, or at least at the hands of their own desructions.

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This kind of stuff puts them in the same catagory as terrorists. I think that we need to arrest and prosecute ANYONE who is a member of this group. They can be cgarged as accomplises in the crimes and sentenced from there.

I wonder what's gonna happen to the families of the truck drives, the mill workers, the loggers, and anyone else in these companies who will not be getting a check due to the damages doone and the lack of work.

On watching the show Vanashing Freedoms @, this group was mentioned and there was even a person speaking on their behalf. I say take him to these people who now cannot work due to the actions of that group & have him expain why it is neccessary for a child to be hungry, a family to beg, or even go through the turmoil of having to get the basic neccessities for life so that a statement can be made.
I say we make a statement with that person.

This type of sh!t really pisses me off! <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0">
 

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<font color="yellow">This is kind of a follow up story to this one...and for the record, killing these a$$holes would be too kind, they need to suffer long and hard <IMG SRC="smilies/devil.gif" border="0">...</font c>

http://www.foxnews.com

Eco-Terrorist Attacks Prompt Federal Action

Dr. Toby Bradshaw
was lucky.

The plant
geneticist at the University of
Washington wasn't
killed or hurt in the May 21
arson fire
militant environmentalists set to protest
his biotech
research on trees, and he was able to
salvage most of
his work.

But the school's
Center for Urban Horticulture
burned to the ground in the blaze,
which the radical Earth Liberation Front
(ELF) has claimed responsibility for.
And next time, Bradshaw may not be so
lucky.

He is one of a score of victims of an
extreme environmental movement that's
becoming ever more violent —
prompting the federal government to take
action with a newly-proposed law to
crack down more harshly on the crimes.

While tofu pie-throwing was once the
most outrageous thing extreme
environmental groups did to prove a
point, today they make an impact with
weapons like firebombs, arson and
vandalism. Such acts of "eco-terrorism"
are increasingly common on university
campuses where biotech research is
underway.

"It’s just a matter of time before
somebody dies or is seriously injured," said
U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash.,
a sponsor of the federal bill. "We
have to get ahead of it."

Nethercutt wants to expand the
current legislation to protect plant lab
research in addition to animal
research. He’s proposing to increase the
penalties for terrorism directed
against scientists, including a mandatory
minimum penalty of five years in
prison for fire bombings and the possibility
of a death sentence if lives are
lost.

"This is an act of hatred against
science, against scientific research. And we
need to say, in no uncertain terms,
that’s not acceptable," said Bradshaw.

Bradshaw, a plant genetics professor
who studies hybrid poplar trees, said
the ELF was misguided in targeting
him. Though the group’s self-proclaimed
reason for the attack was its
opposition to genetic engineering and its effects
on the environment, Bradshaw said he
doesn’t genetically engineer trees.
Instead, he said, he uses traditional
means of cross-breeding to study how
the trees pass on traits instead of
injecting them with genes.

Still, the attack shook Bradshaw
enough to band with other victims of
eco-terrorism and speak at a news
conference this week to heighten
awareness about the problem. Their
hope is that public education will help
curb the violence.

"I would like there to be a social
outrage … about these attempts to stifle
open research and universities," said
one of the panelists, Dr. Steve Strauss.
Strauss, a forest science professor
at Oregon State University, lost 900 trees
that were cut down by vandals in
protest of his work.

'It's Not Violent to Destroy
Property'

But groups like the ELF — which
claimed responsibility for destroying offices
and equipment at an Oregon tree farm
at the same time it burned the
Washington facility — justify extreme
acts as the only way their protests will
be heeded. They brag that their
vandalism and destruction has cost more
than $40 million in damages in the
last four years — but say they haven’t
physically harmed anyone.

"Mainstream tactics used throughout
history to further the environmental
movement aren’t working," said the
ELF’s Leslie James Pickering. "It’s time
to take it a bit further. Property is
not human. It is not violent to destroy
property."

Scientists say those groups are
defeating their own purpose, because it’s
through research that they learn what
is and isn’t safe for the environment.
Biotech researcher Dr. Catherine
Ives, who had her office at Michigan State
University torched, said she isn’t
sure whether universities can do anything to
appease militant activists.

She and the other two panelists also
expressed dismay that mainstream
environmental groups like Greenpeace
haven’t stepped up to denounce
eco-terrorist acts.

But Greenpeace USA said the
organization avoids the debate because it
doesn’t practice such tactics.

"We have a 30-year tradition of
non-violent protests," said spokeswoman
Carol Gregory. "We draw the line at
‘terrorist’ acts. That’s just not our
gig….But we don’t speak for other
people."

Oregon has already tried tackling the
issue at the state level with legislation
that makes eco-terrorism akin to
racketeering — allowing for more severe
punishment.

The ELF, for its part, says new laws
at any level aren’t going to prevent future
attacks.

"Anyone, potentially, who is making a
profit off the destruction of the natural
environment could be a target," the
group warned in a statement.

Even Bradshaw isn’t convinced of the
value of stricter laws.

"We don’t need any new legislation,"
he said. "Public education is No. 1. We
have been victims of attacks, and
would like the public to be informed."

— Fox News’ Jonathan Serrie
contributed to this report.
 

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<IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> shit like that pisses me off!! Leave the f-in loggers alone!!! Trees are a RENEWABLE RESOURCE people!!! THey're a CROP! Like CORN or something!!! They WILL grow back!! <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0">

I'm certain that those truckers did lose wages and time from that. The way it works is, big companies like Willammette contract out small companies like ours, FAMILY OWNED companies, to cut their units and truck them in to the mill...then THEY process the lumber.

And those assholes are screwing with hard working honest people!!!
 

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Woo Hoo! Time to make some friends <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Anyways...

No, trees AREN'T just like corn or any other crop. Yes it is possible for the trees themselfs to grow backafter you go in and cut them all down(if your lucky), but at the expense of the entire eco-system that used to be based around those trees. If you go and plant trees in an "empty" field, grow them and them harvest them then that would be a crop. But when you go out into a natural setting where its taken hundreds and hundreds of years for the eco-system to blance itself out and you completely remove the most vital part(the trees) its going to ruin it. When you clear cut the side of a hill, the useful soil that everything grew from that was on the hillside is now washed away cause there isn't anything to hold it there. Then how are the trees going to grow back, let alone anything? What are all the animals that lived on and off of the trees going to do while they wait for the trees to grow back? They're gonig to die, and if you do it too much they're all going to become extinct.

In all truth I don't have much sympathy for the loggers, oil men, or any other business that exploits the environment to make a living. Yes, its sucks, but its time to get a new job. You can't keep doing it forever. And yes I'm not talking about ending all logging cause I know we as people need to consume a certian amount. But lets say I was rich and wanted to employ a hundred homeless people to go out and pour motor oil into the gutters, would that be ok? Its their job now right? These people need to work and they have familes to feed too, right?

Well, its late and I'm going to bed and wont be on POR again untill the weekend is over, so if it takes me a while to respond its cause I have a life. <IMG SRC="smilies/sleep.gif" border="0">
 
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