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It has come to my attention that a TLCA club called the Gotham City Landcruisers is putting an REI link on their website. I contacted them about this and they have refused to pull the REI link. GCLC earns money everytime someone uses that link to buy something on the REI site.
http://www.gothamcitycruisers.org/

REI sponsers many environment groups. Some are worthwhile of support but two come to mind that are not.

Here is a press release from REI:
http://www.rei.com/reihtml/about_rei/2000/reiwild.html

The California Wilderness Coalition actively pursues the closing of public lands in California and converting them to Wildness areas off limits to multiple-use.

The Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance also does the same thing but works in Utah. It is best known for its effort for more wilderness area in Moab.

Here are two important club members of GCLC that you can email to voice your opinion in support of GCLC or against...Please let them know how you think about the REI issue...

[email protected]
[email protected]

[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: E-Locker ]
 

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I have been asked by GCLC to clarify their "refusal"...

They say they don't actually refuse to remove it but want to bring it to discussion with their own club members. This does make sense but it was easy enough to put the link up, they could atleast pull the link until their club votes on it.
 

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Originally posted by E-Locker:
<STRONG>I have been asked by GCLC to clarify their "refusal"...

They say they don't actually refuse to remove it but want to bring it to discussion with their own club members. This does make sense but it was easy enough to put the link up, they could atleast pull the link until their club votes on it.</STRONG>
True. Their site sure had a lot of advertisements on it for being a 4x4 club site. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

What's up with that??
 

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Just to set the record straight...

Ken Flesher just informed me that REI no longer sponsors SUWA. They did in 2000 but that program ended...
 

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Personally, I don't have a problem with the REI sponsor. But then, I am a regular at their 'Querque store and have a coop number (have since 78). Why? Cuz my wheeling also takes me camping and they sell what I need/want (I also mountain bike, hike, backpack). I think all of us, as user groups, need to quit drawing lines. "They" see us as bad. "We" see them as bad. Gawd it's gotta stop. We are all users! We all enjoy getting outside.

As as far as the "green society" appreciating the "environment" more than wheelers ... I say bullshit. I've been on hikes with these folks, ranking members (took Sen. Cranston out to the Mojave a few years back), and they don't know shit about what's out there. It's run to the destination, and run back. Never mind the plants, birds, bugs along the way. They don't care. At least I've wheeled with folks that what to know. Hell, even Tim Jenkins owns a desert wildflower book.

Another of my bitches is with those northern California and central Arizona folks that practice "armchair environmentalism." They need to get off their asses and see what's out there, for real, before they start spouting off. To quote Ed Abbey:

In the first place you can't see anything from a car; you've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk, better yet crawl, on hands and knees, over the sandstone and through the thornbush and cactus. When traces of blood begin to mark your trail you'll see something, maybe. Probably not.
Just once I'd like to see them do that. They certain fall into the "probably not" catagory. I don't. End of soap box.

(Yes, this topic makes me angry)
 

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Originally posted by toyrunner:
<STRONG>Go to, http://www.freeourforests.org ,to see how REI is involved with our land use!
Danny</STRONG>
Help me out here... I don't see a single reference to REI on this site, but maybe I'm just missing it. <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
 

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This is in the section marked; "The Fees"

At the start of Fee Demo, the Forest Service entered into a contract called a Cost-Share Agreement with the American Recreation Coalition (ARC), which allowed them to develop fee projects in partnership with the Forest Service. The ARC represents the interests of more than 100 recreation industry organizations, including ski area associations, sporting equipment manufacturers, petroleum companies, tour associations, dozens of motorboat, jet-ski, motorcycle, snowmobile, RV, and ORV manufacturers, and the Walt Disney Company - to name a few. As a result, Disney, REI, and other companies assisted in the design and implementation of the Adventure Pass.
Read the site through, it will open your eyes abit.
Danny
 
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