I'm not disagreeing with anyone here . . . All I'm saying is that this guy has his marching orders and those orders come from the top.Crusher maybe so! but he does not have to be a threating jerk hole to everyone, "a thank you very much have a safe day" would be welcome thats my beef with the guy, If you venture out and have disreguard for the law then you deserve to get busted but the disrespect from a public employee is not the way it should be, if anyone of us would be as disrespectful as officer Marcus on the trail we would not be welcome back by others.:shaking:
Curly, I said that several posts back...it's very true.I find it Ironic in a way that the very people Ken is conversing with here are the very ones that dedicate many weekends and hours trying to improve the situation surrounding this trail. Come on Ken helps us out here, work with us, stand by my shoulder when I inform someone about their illegal campfire. Maybe even hike the trail side by side with the many families and children that help clean the forest. Come on Ken we'd love to show you up close and personal our little Jewel we call the Rubicon Trail.
When pulled over, stop the truck, turn it off. Keep hands on the steering wheel, don't go reaching for anything(registration, bazooka, etc). Allow the officer to approach and make contact. You may keep conversation to a minimum, that's your right. You may refuse a search, that's your right. Be assertive, but not aggressive.
Keep in mind that Officer Marcus does not answer to the forest managers except at the Washington/USDA level. Forest Management tracks and LE tracks in the USFS are intentionally not tied. The boss of the Eldorado (Forest Supervisor Vilalvazo) has no authority over Officer Marcus or any LEO...that authority comes to the Patrol Captain on the Eldorado through Region. Complicated, but bottom line is that if Officer Marcus' actions are being controlled by a forest manager, it is ocurring at the federal level.Along comes Marcus, a little man with a chip on his shoulder, and now the forest managers have a tool to help them get their way.
I do live on the Divide and I can tell you the trail users are not the only ones that are being harassed by this Guy. All you need to do is ask the folks at Uncle Toms..I lived on the divide for a long time and I can you all some stories about overzealous cops in that neighborhood.
Yep. Met a guy who was written up for having 5 "forest rocks" in the bed of his truck- even though they were taken off of private property. He even got the the " I will take you to jail" treatment for good measure.I do live on the Divide and I can tell you the trail users are not the only ones that are being harassed by this Guy. All you need to do is ask the folks at Uncle Toms..
No one I know is going to stop using the trail. I didn't invest thousands of dollars to make my rig capable and legal only to stop using the trail. If anything, the only ones who may stop using the trail are those folks that are constantly being ticketed for expensive infractions. As for most of us that are law-abiding and good to the trail - we don't plan to stop using it.Yes I agree jumping out would be a bad idea and I agree with the hands on the steering wheel and every other aspect of your comments on being pulled over Yota Up. This is the tact I have used in the past when I have been pulled over. No sudden moves, no words and no argument.
And I also agree with you Curly, why are we having conversations about this kinda thing when the reason we go up to the Rubicon is to enjoy ourselves.
The question comes to mind for me is that this person or possibly his superiors have decided that it is ok for him to be confrontational and anal in his "Spirit of the Law". They have decided that this is going to be the way they do business up on the hill and as some have said they are probably hoping that this will be the reason some folks might quit using the trail or going to the woods.
I think this is absolutely a crime. I think this is a blatant misuse of the law by people who would rather close our resources than manage them. I have never been happy about the LE having to have a presence on the trail but it is the lesser of the two evils. Outlaws ruining our good time vs. LE lurking about to keep us safe from them.
And although I am younger than you Curly I also am wondering what the heck has happened to the country I once lived in vs. the circus we now have.
What are the answers, and when and where are we going to stand up and stop the out of control downward spiral we seem to be experiencing?
Sadly, us forest users have absolutely zero recourse to what is going on. Forest Service law enforcement has a less than stellar reputation when it comes to interacting with the public. I hope we don't end up in another Jarbidge or Gila NF type situation. I especially hope we don't end up with another disappearing cop. Things can get harsh on the divide.