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Moderators, please bear with me for just 24 hours.
Some of the closed-minded children here think they're getting a good laugh at my differing views.
I see stuff getting taken out of context, but more I see a whole lot of torque-obsessed speed demons with more money than Trump.
Cummins: arguably great, but 2 fatal flaws. And before I list them I'm going to explain the reason in a way y'all must relate to: When any of us buys a new toy, we want it virgin and un-molested. We all want to decide what changes to make, without first having to spend 2 large fortunes returning the thing to original specs. As such, the Cummins' first fatal flaw is that un-modified examples flat do not exist, save on the new-pickup-dealers' showroom floors.
Secondly, the entire point of the diesel was never to out-perform a 454 on less fuel. It was to be a profitable work engine no matter how slowly it had to go to get the work done. The beef is there for perfect reliability and extreme endurance, not the potential for tripling the output. A Cummins is intended to be a tool for turning a profit. A Duramax makes a much better play-toy. And if any of you earn a living with tools, you'll understand that a tool must be top quality and affordable, then must be well-maintained. You don't pay twice as much for a tool as it is really worth, if it is adequate to the intended job for many years to come. And that's the second fatal flaw: For my intended purpose, I'm not going to pay $1000+ for a modified Cummins when for $200 I can have a virgin Detroit. If the Detroit is still in service after this many years, then it has been maintained, and a bit more maintenance will result in more service.
Since a modified diesel engine just got well-reasoned-out of the equation, that leaves factory power ratings. And we all agree that the more power you have, the more work you can do. But again, my work isn't having fun, my work is turning a profit. So keeping it out of boost is the goal 99% of the time. At that point, the engine with less power gets better mileage. Less fuel costs = more profit. So, which un-modified engine makes less power without boost, but more power with stock boost? The Detroit 6.2 wearing the salvage-yard $45 turbo from an un-modified 6.5. Still no aftermarket parts. No grinding a fuel plate. No killer dowel pin. Retrofitting the turbo isn't modifying. It's more like repairing the crack-prone block and heads of the 6.5, by using non-cracked 6.2 parts. Only the repair is effectively free, just $45.
And if I happen to kill my 6.2 a thousand miles from home, I can find another within an hour, have it swapped the next day. Total cost? $300 plus a day's labor. Still cheaper than having started with a 6BT, then replacing the fuel plate and killer dowel and more.
I'm happy for y'all that you're a bunch of Homer Simpsons, living in blissful ignorance, getting rich off no work, spending $1050,000 per year on your 2013 Ram 3500. Congrats.
I have the right to haul at the minimum speed rather than 15 MPH over the maximum like everyone of y'all. I used to always push, but now life is less stressful, except seeing y'all spouting off your wrong ideas. Man up and STFU!
-Peace out.
Some of the closed-minded children here think they're getting a good laugh at my differing views.
I see stuff getting taken out of context, but more I see a whole lot of torque-obsessed speed demons with more money than Trump.
Cummins: arguably great, but 2 fatal flaws. And before I list them I'm going to explain the reason in a way y'all must relate to: When any of us buys a new toy, we want it virgin and un-molested. We all want to decide what changes to make, without first having to spend 2 large fortunes returning the thing to original specs. As such, the Cummins' first fatal flaw is that un-modified examples flat do not exist, save on the new-pickup-dealers' showroom floors.
Secondly, the entire point of the diesel was never to out-perform a 454 on less fuel. It was to be a profitable work engine no matter how slowly it had to go to get the work done. The beef is there for perfect reliability and extreme endurance, not the potential for tripling the output. A Cummins is intended to be a tool for turning a profit. A Duramax makes a much better play-toy. And if any of you earn a living with tools, you'll understand that a tool must be top quality and affordable, then must be well-maintained. You don't pay twice as much for a tool as it is really worth, if it is adequate to the intended job for many years to come. And that's the second fatal flaw: For my intended purpose, I'm not going to pay $1000+ for a modified Cummins when for $200 I can have a virgin Detroit. If the Detroit is still in service after this many years, then it has been maintained, and a bit more maintenance will result in more service.
Since a modified diesel engine just got well-reasoned-out of the equation, that leaves factory power ratings. And we all agree that the more power you have, the more work you can do. But again, my work isn't having fun, my work is turning a profit. So keeping it out of boost is the goal 99% of the time. At that point, the engine with less power gets better mileage. Less fuel costs = more profit. So, which un-modified engine makes less power without boost, but more power with stock boost? The Detroit 6.2 wearing the salvage-yard $45 turbo from an un-modified 6.5. Still no aftermarket parts. No grinding a fuel plate. No killer dowel pin. Retrofitting the turbo isn't modifying. It's more like repairing the crack-prone block and heads of the 6.5, by using non-cracked 6.2 parts. Only the repair is effectively free, just $45.
And if I happen to kill my 6.2 a thousand miles from home, I can find another within an hour, have it swapped the next day. Total cost? $300 plus a day's labor. Still cheaper than having started with a 6BT, then replacing the fuel plate and killer dowel and more.
I'm happy for y'all that you're a bunch of Homer Simpsons, living in blissful ignorance, getting rich off no work, spending $1050,000 per year on your 2013 Ram 3500. Congrats.
I have the right to haul at the minimum speed rather than 15 MPH over the maximum like everyone of y'all. I used to always push, but now life is less stressful, except seeing y'all spouting off your wrong ideas. Man up and STFU!
-Peace out.
