In that picture, the natural resources have been blasted with dynamite to smooth the road and allow passage. Also note that in that picture, there were no Highways and this was the ONLY route from the main county headquarters in Placerville to the more remote Tahoe area. There was no Highway 50 or 80 at that time.at least it doesn't look like this again.....
So what, a useless fact in this case. Good to know though. I did not before this.Try reading sometime.....suck it.
Jack Sweeney surveys political life | Mountain Democrat
Sweeney arrived in the county at the tender age of three days, the newly adopted son of James and Florence Sweeney. His parents had two pet monkeys, but the adoption agency said they’d have to choose between the monkeys and the kids (his older sister was also adopted.)
“They chose us,” he laughed.
I agree, useless fact(except it proves that the Sweeneys are not what they claim they are). Funny thing is, its the only thing you responded to out of that entire post...so it MUST be important to you, or you are trolling....So what, a useless fact in this case. Good to know though. I did not before this.
Lol, sticks and stones....truth seems to bother some of you dont it. Try answering some of the questions I have asked, the truth will prevail. I'll say it again, stop avoiding the questions and answer them.Still, what good or positive result are you aiming for. Continued ranting is only fear mongering and trolling.
I really don't care if you understand, this is not about you, or me. If you were so concerned about it, you would engage in a rational adult conversation to work towards a common goal, rather than picking and choosing which part of a post you would like to reply to with your blind sided jabs... Have a look again, all you have done is try to discredit anything that doesn't agree with what you and your circle of buddies want and have accomplished.:troll:Explain your goals and make me understand......
This......Thanks for breaking the ice Bear.You are letting alot of people into the "know" of how things have been done in our inside circle.That inside circle is not the voice of every trail user. It is a shame that the trail has become nothing but a place for special interest groups to pull their weight around. This is a National Forest for Gods sake![/QUOTE]BTW, when your ready to work together, for ALL the users, you let me know. I'm all for it.
There must be some privileged information then. I figured out over 2 years ago at the BOS. Meeting that JS wasn't on the trail users side. A shack without a permit...whoopie do.This......Thanks for breaking the ice Bear.You are letting alot of people into the "know" of how things have been done in our inside circle.That inside circle is not the voice of every trail user. It is a shame that the trail has become nothing but a place for special interest groups to pull their weight around. This is a National Forest for Gods sake!
actually when the road was built, they took the pass of least resistance. At the time Little Sluice was the easiest path to get to where they wanted to go.In that picture, the natural resources have been blasted with dynamite to smooth the road and allow passage..
The main vehicle route from Placerville to the Tahoe area has almost always been over echo summit (or Johnson Pass).Also note that in that picture, there were no Highways and this was the ONLY route from the main county headquarters in Placerville to the more remote Tahoe area. There was no Highway 50 or 80 at that time.
History tells that prior to vehicle travel, the only route, by horse, was the Rubicon trail.
Ryan, you refuse to consider/accept answers to your questions, and you discredit others even as you accuse others of the same thing. You've been a reasonable guy when we've talked in person, but arguing with electrons isn't productive for me... we're just gonna disagree, and I can deal with that....try answering some of the questions I have asked, the truth will prevail. I'll say it again, stop avoiding the questions and answer them...
Sadly, it doesn't seem like any of these MANY pages of discussion have resulted in effective action. It appears that secret discussions were had by individuals, and public discussions had by organizations, and in the end, nobody shared as well as they could have. Some tried, but were beat up for their efforts. With no effective action, these past few weeks been wheelspin, with plenty of smoke, but no forward motion.There must be some privileged information then. I figured out over 2 years ago at the BOS. Meeting that JS wasn't on the trail users side. A shack without a permit...whoopie do.
Heck, one of the biggest shockers in this thread was Stonys mention of a time for the work in LS but I didn't see the post until he edited OUT the link. Privileged information for the political Incorrect crowd?
It almost seems like the Rubicon OHV crowd has a few moles and it isnt RTF.
Bear, with all do respect, whenever I see a comment made like this, I am so thankful I am holding my arm up over my head, and have my chest waders on, so I don't get any of the crap on me or my watch ....... :flipoff2:I know more than you think I do, and possibly...more than you do.:flipoff2:
x2Bear, with all do respect, whenever I see a comment made like this, I am so thankful I am holding my arm up over my head, and have my chest waders on, so I don't get any of the crap on me or my watch ....... :flipoff2:
Talk is cheep and posting is easy. Taking action, and actually dedicating ones self to doing something,,, well that is an entirely different story ..... :smokin:
x1,000Whats done is done.
Why dont we take all this energy and focus on the other 42 routes in the forest that the bad guys went after?
Three public open houses are scheduled for people to meet with the Forest Supervisor and other Forest Service employees. The drop-in opportunities will be hosted from 4-7 p.m. in Markleeville at Turtle Rock Community Center on October 22; 3-8 p.m. in Placerville at the Placerville Inn on October 25; and 3- 8 p.m. in Jackson at the Civic Center on October 29.
The proposed action, maps and other SEIS information are posted on the Eldorado National Forest website at: www.usda.fs.gov/eldorado.
Copies of documents can be also be obtained by contacting Forest Supervisor; Eldorado National Forest; 100 Forni Road; Placerville, CA 95667.
The annual cleanup is a required part of the CAO, it HAS to be done. I don't know how much was cleaned up last weekend (jerry or Dave?). but I am VERY sure it was less than ever. In terms of garbage, the trail is VERY clean, because the users keep it that way.BAck to the trail being far frm dirty... So why have a cleanup run each year in Oct? I did stop going there for a multitude of reasons, this being one of them.
You may be "very sure", but you are dead wrong. The last time El Dorado COunty maintained the Rubicon was in 1939, about the time the famous Studebaker picture was taken. The road was absolutely county maintained, and around Sweeney's birth it looked like the picture.Your quote is as good as any to settle this myth too.
Prior to regular wheeled transportation, back around Sweeney's birth, I am certain that the LS was full of very large boulders. I do not see rubble falling off those walls. Then, in an attempt to create a central Sierra crossing, early settlers, travelers and commercial interests probably blew them to rubble (as they did regularly - without permit), which in turn, eventually Studebakers were finally able to traverse. So, really the last 15 years, hard core wheelers likely restored the box to its historic state.
Thankless environmental work.
The only one I know if is RTF. There is a thread on here about our spending policiees, which are open. Our books are on the table at Cantina, come look at them.Are the numerous foundations for the trail on an open book policy when it comes to funds?
Rumor mongering. Spider was purchased by private individuals before RTF or FOTR existed, wheelers who wanted to keep it open and have tried to since.Kinda curious if the property at Spyder that was purchased was with donated funds or a portion or any at all?
More rumor mongering. The "special interest" they have is in keeping the trail open. And I answered your cabin question fully and completely, here, in a public forum, as you well know.There are way too many people in these groups that have a "special interest" and are now building and changing the trail as they like. A conflict of interest is there and when any question gets asked, such as mine about the illegal cabins. They respond like crooked politician's and get defensive or shut you up.
Who are you talking about? Oh yeah, this is also a rumor mongering question that IMPLIES that this has happened. It hasn't.Can a person get two Rock awards in a lifetime?
This. No, it isn't the way it was 25 days ago, but it also isn't the way it was 25 years ago. It was ltered illegally, and the BOS ordered that corrected. The truth is that the very folks that have been accused of special interest worked their butts off and tried to limit the amount of change so that there is still achallenge. The folks complaining the loudest didn't show up and don't know the truth.After all I read I was expecting it to be "paved", but it is far from it. Yes, not the challange it was before, but still seems to present the most challengeing portion of the trail and is still a gathering point based on the crowds Saturday.