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at least it doesn't look like this again.....



In that picture, the natural resources have been blasted with dynamite to smooth the road and allow passage. Also note that in that picture, there were no Highways and this was the ONLY route from the main county headquarters in Placerville to the more remote Tahoe area. There was no Highway 50 or 80 at that time.

History tells that prior to vehicle travel, the only route, by horse, was the Rubicon trail.
Interesting story is that there was an illegal casino at the other end of the trail in Tahoe (on the California side of the lake), and the casino would place scouts along the trail. When the Sheriff was spotted heading toward Tahoe, ( I would assume from the lookout) the scouts would run ahead and warn the casino and it was transformed into a relaxing spa, where the Sheriff was pampered when he arrived. When he left, it was transformed back into a casino....
 

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Try reading sometime.....suck it.

Jack Sweeney surveys political life | Mountain Democrat

Sweeney arrived in the county at the tender age of three days, the newly adopted son of James and Florence Sweeney. His parents had two pet monkeys, but the adoption agency said they’d have to choose between the monkeys and the kids (his older sister was also adopted.)

“They chose us,” he laughed.
So what, a useless fact in this case. Good to know though. I did not before this.

Still, what good or positive result are you aiming for. Continued ranting is only fear mongering and trolling.

Explain your goals and make me understand......
 

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Whats done is done.

Why dont we take all this energy and focus on the other 42 routes in the forest that the bad guys went after?



Three public open houses are scheduled for people to meet with the Forest Supervisor and other Forest Service employees. The drop-in opportunities will be hosted from 4-7 p.m. in Markleeville at Turtle Rock Community Center on October 22; 3-8 p.m. in Placerville at the Placerville Inn on October 25; and 3- 8 p.m. in Jackson at the Civic Center on October 29.

The proposed action, maps and other SEIS information are posted on the Eldorado National Forest website at: www.usda.fs.gov/eldorado.

Copies of documents can be also be obtained by contacting Forest Supervisor; Eldorado National Forest; 100 Forni Road; Placerville, CA 95667.
 

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So what, a useless fact in this case. Good to know though. I did not before this.
I agree, useless fact(except it proves that the Sweeneys are not what they claim they are). Funny thing is, its the only thing you responded to out of that entire post...so it MUST be important to you, or you are trolling....
Sucks when your feeble attempt to discredit someone fails:laughing:


Still, what good or positive result are you aiming for. Continued ranting is only fear mongering and trolling.
Lol, sticks and stones....truth seems to bother some of you dont it.:p Try answering some of the questions I have asked, the truth will prevail. I'll say it again, stop avoiding the questions and answer them.
I know more than you think I do, and possibly...more than you do.:flipoff2:


Explain your goals and make me understand......
I really don't care if you understand, this is not about you, or me. If you were so concerned about it, you would engage in a rational adult conversation to work towards a common goal, rather than picking and choosing which part of a post you would like to reply to with your blind sided jabs... Have a look again, all you have done is try to discredit anything that doesn't agree with what you and your circle of buddies want and have accomplished.:troll:

BTW, when your ready to work together, for ALL the users, you let me know. I'm all for it. ;)
 

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BTW, when your ready to work together, for ALL the users, you let me know. I'm all for it. ;)[/QUOTE]

This......Thanks for breaking the ice Bear.You are letting alot of people into the "know" of how things have been done in our inside circle.That inside circle is not the voice of every trail user.:mad: It is a shame that the trail has become nothing but a place for special interest groups to pull their weight around. This is a National Forest for Gods sake!
 

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BTW, when your ready to work together, for ALL the users, you let me know. I'm all for it. ;)
This......Thanks for breaking the ice Bear.You are letting alot of people into the "know" of how things have been done in our inside circle.That inside circle is not the voice of every trail user.:mad: It is a shame that the trail has become nothing but a place for special interest groups to pull their weight around. This is a National Forest for Gods sake![/QUOTE]

There must be some privileged information then. I figured out over 2 years ago at the BOS. Meeting that JS wasn't on the trail users side. A shack without a permit...whoopie do.

Heck, one of the biggest shockers in this thread was Stonys mention of a time for the work in LS but I didn't see the post until he edited OUT the link. Privileged information for the political Incorrect crowd?

It almost seems like the Rubicon OHV crowd has a few moles and it isnt RTF.
 

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This......Thanks for breaking the ice Bear.You are letting alot of people into the "know" of how things have been done in our inside circle.That inside circle is not the voice of every trail user.:mad: It is a shame that the trail has become nothing but a place for special interest groups to pull their weight around. This is a National Forest for Gods sake!
There must be some privileged information then. I figured out over 2 years ago at the BOS. Meeting that JS wasn't on the trail users side. A shack without a permit...whoopie do.

Heck, one of the biggest shockers in this thread was Stonys mention of a time for the work in LS but I didn't see the post until he edited OUT the link. Privileged information for the political Incorrect crowd?

It almost seems like the Rubicon OHV crowd has a few moles and it isnt RTF.[/QUOTE]

I didn't edit out shit.. you are mistaken.

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In that picture, the natural resources have been blasted with dynamite to smooth the road and allow passage..
actually when the road was built, they took the pass of least resistance. At the time Little Sluice was the easiest path to get to where they wanted to go.

Also note that in that picture, there were no Highways and this was the ONLY route from the main county headquarters in Placerville to the more remote Tahoe area. There was no Highway 50 or 80 at that time.

History tells that prior to vehicle travel, the only route, by horse, was the Rubicon trail.
The main vehicle route from Placerville to the Tahoe area has almost always been over echo summit (or Johnson Pass).
Highway 50 did exist at that time as the Lincoln Highway. The Pony Express Trail used much of that same route as well back to the 1860s and much of the route was also used back into the 1840s
 

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well now we have highways and other means to get over the sierras..... so why is it such a problem to have it transformed into a fire road. if you can't make it you just can't. people need to pack out what you pack in. if they don't shoot them. you should have been taught that growing up, if not learn.
.......... just another thing my hard earned tax dollars are being use for that i don't agree with..................
shit you can't even live up in the woods of the grid without braking some kind of law. how do you get away from all this political bull.......
and if this Sweeny guy is the problem how does he go?
i built my truck to leave this bull.... behind me and live the life i want for a few days when i can. not to have to worry about how far off a trail i am or if this trail is even going to be here next time i come. i wish i was able to explore what has came and gone.:shaking:
 

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...try answering some of the questions I have asked, the truth will prevail. I'll say it again, stop avoiding the questions and answer them...
Ryan, you refuse to consider/accept answers to your questions, and you discredit others even as you accuse others of the same thing. :rolleyes: You've been a reasonable guy when we've talked in person, but arguing with electrons isn't productive for me... we're just gonna disagree, and I can deal with that.

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There must be some privileged information then. I figured out over 2 years ago at the BOS. Meeting that JS wasn't on the trail users side. A shack without a permit...whoopie do.
Heck, one of the biggest shockers in this thread was Stonys mention of a time for the work in LS but I didn't see the post until he edited OUT the link. Privileged information for the political Incorrect crowd?
It almost seems like the Rubicon OHV crowd has a few moles and it isnt RTF.
Sadly, it doesn't seem like any of these MANY pages of discussion have resulted in effective action. It appears that secret discussions were had by individuals, and public discussions had by organizations, and in the end, nobody shared as well as they could have. Some tried, but were beat up for their efforts. With no effective action, these past few weeks been wheelspin, with plenty of smoke, but no forward motion.

The folks who wanted LS unchanged still want that, the folks that wanted LS changed still want that, and the folks who tried to represent both concerns and find a middle ground continue to take fire from both sides. Noticeably absent in this discussion is the Save-the-Sluice coalition -- they had the most to gain from attending meetings, working politically, and volunteering on the trail these last few years and on into the future. They didn't engage effectively, and haven't really been heard from since. :( Now there are new folks who weren't around or aware of the BoS decision and/or S-t-S plans, and these new folks unhappy, but apparently unwilling to organize and engage effectively... sound familiar? I have little hope that our OHV community's anger-absent-action apathy will change anytime soon. :( We'll likely read angst here on Pirate4x4.com and that'll be it... just electronic frustration with no action.

As stated publicly two years ago and many times since, the status quo expectation was set at the BoS meeting: change was publicly announced, press-released, and discussed. Through committed, consistent work, that status quo was actually moderated... folks/groups who attended the ROC and/or lobbied effectively these last few years helped sway DOT from blasting 5-8 rocks, and the final action wound up only cracking 2-3 rocks. DOT opted for more in-fill and skipped the blasting, so I appreciate the efforts of those who worked the process toward less-destructive mitigation. Significant action was taken, which should address the long-standing political and regulatory pressure... and winter, gravity, and wheel-spin will inevitably heighten the challenge of LS over time.

Discussion will inevitably continue, and that's not a bad thing in and of itself... but that isn't enough, on its own, to make a difference. Please folks, TAKE ACTION. Vote, volunteer, donate, write letters, attend meetings, etc... support the organizations or individuals that you believe in, but please, please do SOMETHING more than just posting online.

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I know more than you think I do, and possibly...more than you do.:flipoff2:
Bear, with all do respect, whenever I see a comment made like this, I am so thankful I am holding my arm up over my head, and have my chest waders on, so I don't get any of the crap on me or my watch ....... :flipoff2:

Talk is cheep and posting is easy. Taking action, and actually dedicating ones self to doing something,,, well that is an entirely different story ..... :smokin:
 

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Bear, with all do respect, whenever I see a comment made like this, I am so thankful I am holding my arm up over my head, and have my chest waders on, so I don't get any of the crap on me or my watch ....... :flipoff2:

Talk is cheep and posting is easy. Taking action, and actually dedicating ones self to doing something,,, well that is an entirely different story ..... :smokin:
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Whats done is done.

Why dont we take all this energy and focus on the other 42 routes in the forest that the bad guys went after?



Three public open houses are scheduled for people to meet with the Forest Supervisor and other Forest Service employees. The drop-in opportunities will be hosted from 4-7 p.m. in Markleeville at Turtle Rock Community Center on October 22; 3-8 p.m. in Placerville at the Placerville Inn on October 25; and 3- 8 p.m. in Jackson at the Civic Center on October 29.

The proposed action, maps and other SEIS information are posted on the Eldorado National Forest website at: www.usda.fs.gov/eldorado.

Copies of documents can be also be obtained by contacting Forest Supervisor; Eldorado National Forest; 100 Forni Road; Placerville, CA 95667.
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We have 26 days left to make a difference.

All letters must be in on or before November 7, 2012

Pick a route any route, write a letter for the route to stay open. Most of these routes were open for decades, WE (users) have a short time to write, and show up at the meetings.


Pick a route you have been on and write something.

All details online, no secret meetings or handshakes. You can even meet Karen in person at the meetings, as her life mission is to piss you off and watch you express your anger on the www.

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BAck to the trail being far frm dirty... So why have a cleanup run each year in Oct? I did stop going there for a multitude of reasons, this being one of them.
The annual cleanup is a required part of the CAO, it HAS to be done. I don't know how much was cleaned up last weekend (jerry or Dave?). but I am VERY sure it was less than ever. In terms of garbage, the trail is VERY clean, because the users keep it that way.


Your quote is as good as any to settle this myth too.

Prior to regular wheeled transportation, back around Sweeney's birth, I am certain that the LS was full of very large boulders. I do not see rubble falling off those walls. Then, in an attempt to create a central Sierra crossing, early settlers, travelers and commercial interests probably blew them to rubble (as they did regularly - without permit), which in turn, eventually Studebakers were finally able to traverse. So, really the last 15 years, hard core wheelers likely restored the box to its historic state.

Thankless environmental work.
You may be "very sure", but you are dead wrong. The last time El Dorado COunty maintained the Rubicon was in 1939, about the time the famous Studebaker picture was taken. The road was absolutely county maintained, and around Sweeney's birth it looked like the picture.


Are the numerous foundations for the trail on an open book policy when it comes to funds?
The only one I know if is RTF. There is a thread on here about our spending policiees, which are open. Our books are on the table at Cantina, come look at them.


Kinda curious if the property at Spyder that was purchased was with donated funds or a portion or any at all?
Rumor mongering. Spider was purchased by private individuals before RTF or FOTR existed, wheelers who wanted to keep it open and have tried to since.


There are way too many people in these groups that have a "special interest" and are now building and changing the trail as they like. A conflict of interest is there and when any question gets asked, such as mine about the illegal cabins. They respond like crooked politician's and get defensive or shut you up.
More rumor mongering. The "special interest" they have is in keeping the trail open. And I answered your cabin question fully and completely, here, in a public forum, as you well know.


Can a person get two Rock awards in a lifetime?
Who are you talking about? Oh yeah, this is also a rumor mongering question that IMPLIES that this has happened. It hasn't.


After all I read I was expecting it to be "paved", but it is far from it. Yes, not the challange it was before, but still seems to present the most challengeing portion of the trail and is still a gathering point based on the crowds Saturday.
This. No, it isn't the way it was 25 days ago, but it also isn't the way it was 25 years ago. It was ltered illegally, and the BOS ordered that corrected. The truth is that the very folks that have been accused of special interest worked their butts off and tried to limit the amount of change so that there is still achallenge. The folks complaining the loudest didn't show up and don't know the truth.
 

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this thread makes me sad. i cant say what should or shouldn't be done there because i just went there for my first time a month ago. i guess too many people can make any place a mess, politically speaking. my solution is for everyone to get into ricers, vespas, video games and wine tasting. wheeling is old hat.:)
 
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