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The changing timelines highlight how unprepared the LVPD was and is forr something like this.

They might be great guys but they are completely out of their league on this.

They should man up and ask for help. Not Fed help; the FBI is as crooked as sin. Help from a credible, large municipal police force with a track record of successful strategic and tactical anti-terrorist actions.

Clearly, NYPD.
If they don't want to make the trip, I hear the LAPD has a good track record too, and they're a little closer.
 

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Besides the fact it's yahoo and they can't even fucking measure distances properly. The very crude statistics that they posted could be used to say mass shooting go up under democratic presidents and down under republican presidents. The problem with statistics like these are they don't differentiate between gang related violence and non gang related violence. A mass shooting is defined, I believe correct me if I'm wrong, as having 3 or more victims of a shooting incident. So take Chicago on any given weekend and I would say there is a mass shooting. South D.C., Detroit, South Central LA. I am sure all qualify as having mass shooting that are done by criminals that have zero respect for the law and never will. The justice system failed them and those around them years ago. Some should have had legit options at rehabilitation. Others should have been executed. Either way it's failed time and again.

Factor in that they don't separate out self inflicted suicide guns shots, roughly 40-50% of all gun deaths annually. And don't forget they, FBI, have to combine all the scary black guns into the all long guns category because such a low percentage of them are used in crime outside of Hollywood. And now your looking at a giant glob of shit that's called information yet getting the actual individual brake downs is very hard so it's not done by most any outlet. Just big scary numbers with a certain percentage not related to the subject at hand. This is either a willing or unwilling attempt, you decide, to mislead the public by the media so legislation can be passed to disarm the public.

Just like the NFA that put a monetary tax to help restrict who can and can't own certain firearms. Our politicians do the same thing. "We don't want guns in the wrong untrained hands." So they get hired security personal, armed, to protect them. Now how expensive would that be for the average Joe.

Like everything in politics just follow the money it will lead to the source of the problem.



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this is the best reply i have ever seen. i seem to have a lot of trouble interpreting statistics, esp random ones from the media. Your reply really helped me out -thanks!
 

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You guys are projecting way too much logic into this whole deal. Dude was known to be erratic as fuck, paranoid, and obviously had mental issues. What about the theory that he just was nuts, stockpiled a shit load of weapons and ammo that he couldn't possibly use all at once (because nuts), and just started spraying into a crowd? I like tin foil theories as much as the next guy but c'mon. Occam's razor and all that.
Ok, what's "occam's razor"? At 68 yr.s of age, there's a lot i just don't get anymore. Help me out here -is it "Ocean Circulation and Climate Advanced Modelling"?
 

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The changing timelines highlight how unprepared the LVPD was and is forr something like this.

They might be great guys but they are completely out of their league on this.

They should man up and ask for help. Not Fed help; the FBI is as crooked as sin. Help from a credible, large municipal police force with a track record of successful strategic and tactical anti-terrorist actions.

Clearly, NYPD.
Yeah they should get this guy, NYPD's finest.

Clearly you are making all sorts of assumptions about what they are, or are not doing. And LVMPD has been on terror watch since 911, and I think just about everyone agrees that short of searching every piece of luggage and scanning guests a la TSA, this thing was impossible to stop. It's a miracle it hasn't happened somewhere else as well.
 

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Ok, what's "occam's razor"? At 68 yr.s of age, there's a lot i just don't get anymore. Help me out here.
The simplest or most logical answer is usually the correct one.
 

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Yeah they should get this guy, NYPD's finest.

Clearly you are making all sorts of assumptions about what they are, or are not doing. And LVMPD has been on terror watch since 911, and I think just about everyone agrees that short of searching every piece of luggage and scanning guests a la TSA, this thing was impossible to stop. It's a miracle it hasn't happened somewhere else as well.
Doc, don't argue with an idiot. He will only drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.
 

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Step foot in a casino and look wrong at the dealer or appear you are counting cards or trying to get a hand up on the house and they'll identify you and throw you out within minutes. But carry in truckloads of guns and ammo and shoot up a crowd of thousands and it takes them weeks to sort it out...:laughing: :shaking:
 

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Yeah they should get this guy, NYPD's finest.

Clearly you are making all sorts of assumptions about what they are, or are not doing. And LVMPD has been on terror watch since 911, and I think just about everyone agrees that short of searching every piece of luggage and scanning guests a la TSA, this thing was impossible to stop. It's a miracle it hasn't happened somewhere else as well.
Yeah, I get it, you're a local boy and LVPD are your hometown bros.

Take a step back. I am not assuming everything. LVPD had demonstrated incompetence since the get-go. Including their officer that kicked off his cowboy boots to go after the shooter barefoot. And their delayed, unorganized response. And the continuing fuck-up of the timeline.

LVPD are demonstrating their competence for anyone willing to look.

As I said, it's not because they are bad people. They are not trained for this. Their performance proves it. They are 100% out of their league and are embarrassing themselves and their city.

And regarding that link - NYPD has some bad eggs. So what. NYPD bosses are trained and capable of dealing with sophisticated threats and situations.

Someone said LAPD - I don't know, my impression of them is not that good.
 

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Step foot in a casino and look wrong at the dealer or appear you are counting cards or trying to get a hand up on the house and they'll identify you and throw you out within minutes. But carry in truckloads of guns and ammo and shoot up a crowd of thousands and it takes them weeks to sort it out...:laughing: :shaking:
Everything he had up there would have fit in suitcases on one luggage cart.
 

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Step foot in a casino and look wrong at the dealer or appear you are counting cards or trying to get a hand up on the house and they'll identify you and throw you out within minutes. But carry in truckloads of guns and ammo and shoot up a crowd of thousands and it takes them weeks to sort it out...:laughing: :shaking:
23, or whatever number they come up with tomorrow, rifles don't really take up that much room or weigh that much. If you have an average weighing in at 10 lbs. with accessories, you are under 250 lbs. Ammo obviously takes even less room though weight is much denser of course.
Moving the weapons and ammo around wouldn't even get a second look over a couple days imho. AR's can be broken down with takedown pins alone and easily fit in a standard suitcase, so even oversize bags wouldn't be necessary. This is, of course, assuming that the reports are remotely accurate regarding number and type of weapons.
There is a great deal of strangeness in this case, but moving the weapons and ammo would be simple.
 

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Yeah, I get it, you're a local boy and LVPD are your hometown bros.

Take a step back. I am not assuming everything. LVPD had demonstrated incompetence since the get-go. Including their officer that kicked off his cowboy boots to go after the shooter barefoot. And their delayed, unorganized response. And the continuing fuck-up of the timeline.

LVPD are demonstrating their competence for anyone willing to look.

As I said, it's not because they are bad people. They are not trained for this. Their performance proves it. They are 100% out of their league and are embarrassing themselves and their city.

And regarding that link - NYPD has some bad eggs. So what. NYPD bosses are trained and capable of dealing with sophisticated threats and situations.

Someone said LAPD - I don't know, my impression of them is not that good.
It's "LVMPD" you dolt.
 

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The changing timelines highlight how unprepared the LVPD was and is forr something like this.

They might be great guys but they are completely out of their league on this.

They should man up and ask for help. Not Fed help; the FBI is as crooked as sin. Help from a credible, large municipal police force with a track record of successful strategic and tactical anti-terrorist actions.

Clearly, NYPD.
NYPD? They'd probably shoot more bystanders than Paddock did.
 

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Step foot in a casino and look wrong at the dealer or appear you are counting cards or trying to get a hand up on the house and they'll identify you and throw you out within minutes. But carry in truckloads of guns and ammo and shoot up a crowd of thousands and it takes them weeks to sort it out...:laughing: :shaking:
It would not be hard to get all of that gear up to his room over a few days. Obviously he did not bring it all up at one time. I am quite familiar with what you are saying. I play quite a few high stakes poker tournies, yet I rarely venture into the "PIT", IE. Black Jack, Craps, 3 card, roulette etc. However, the night before my flight after busting out of the world series of poker, I experienced exactly what you are saying about the pit bosses etc. I was at a 25 min 5K max bj table playing with a WSOP Main Event winner from within the past 10 years (not going to name him). He was playing with a bunch of his buddies from back home, we were all drinking having fun. We were all playing 25 a hand, he was playing 100 to 5K depending on the count. The pit boss ended up making us "low stakes" players quit and the dealer played him only. When I sat down he was up 30K, he had bought in for 50K. He ended up losing the entire 80K to the house.
 

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Investigators found that Paddock had "personal protection equipment with him," Lombardo told reporters Monday

"We know he attempted to shoot at fuel tanks, we know he had personal protection equipment in the room, the car in the parking garage contained binary explosives, so I would be comfortable saying, depending on the splash he made during the shooting, it would enable first responders to draw their attention to other locations, which would allow Paddock to just leave the hotel," he said.
What we still don't know about the Las Vegas shooting - CNN
 

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Everything he had up there would have fit in suitcases on one luggage cart.
23, or whatever number they come up with tomorrow, rifles don't really take up that much room or weigh that much. If you have an average weighing in at 10 lbs. with accessories, you are under 250 lbs. Ammo obviously takes even less room though weight is much denser of course.
Moving the weapons and ammo around wouldn't even get a second look over a couple days imho. AR's can be broken down with takedown pins alone and easily fit in a standard suitcase, so even oversize bags wouldn't be necessary. This is, of course, assuming that the reports are remotely accurate regarding number and type of weapons.
There is a great deal of strangeness in this case, but moving the weapons and ammo would be simple.
My comment was tongue in cheek and more aimed toward the fact that they can't piece this together after the fact yet if I got drunk and went on a belligerent rampage one night they would probably have HD video with timestamps in the hands of the local PD within hours. I personally think Mandalay Bay is a shithole though so maybe there is gross incompetence going on there.

I'm well aware how easy it would be to pack in some suitcases full of whatever and no one would bat an eye.
 
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