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:laughing: @ the little kid cot hanging from the wall.

Cool project :grinpimp:
There are actually two of them...and no, I don't make my girls sleep on a hard plywood bunk!! I have thermarests for their bunks; just threw it up there for a photo. With two bunks and rails at 2', 4' and 6', I can put them end-to-end, stacked as bunks, on either side, or up high for bedding storage.
 

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Yeah, not so much. I love dogs, but I have two close friends who would kick my ass if it were anything but a Lab on the side of our family truck.

Shasta, the chocolate turned 9 a month ago. She is literally one of the dumber dogs we have ever known, but is also the most loyal dog I have ever known. We've never been able to teach her to shake in 9 years, and all she knows is 'sit', 'out', 'up', 'eat', and 'lie down'. She smiles all the time and never leaves our sides.

Shadow, the black is 11.5, and slowing down a little. :( She was an evil genius when she was younger. She could walk and dance on her hind legs, speak on command, and retrieve the newspaper from the box at the curb. Now she lies around and sleeps alot, but she's earned it.
Beutifull Labs......If they are anything like my border collies I'm sure they have made the world a better place at the end of a shitty day:D

Lost my Border Collie Boze last month a couple days before his 13th b-day, went to sleep that night and never woke up....if you got to go thats the way.

Anyway, I agree by the look in Shasta and Shadow's eyes winnie dog might not go over well. :usa:
 

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does the truck have air suspension?
gonna have its tongue hanging out hauling 2 behind it though......
 

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Yeah, not so much. I love dogs, but I have two close friends who would kick my ass if it were anything but a Lab on the side of our family truck.

Shasta, the chocolate turned 9 a month ago. She is literally one of the dumber dogs we have ever known, but is also the most loyal dog I have ever known. We've never been able to teach her to shake in 9 years, and all she knows is 'sit', 'out', 'up', 'eat', and 'lie down'. She smiles all the time and never leaves our sides.

Shadow, the black is 11.5, and slowing down a little. :( She was an evil genius when she was younger. She could walk and dance on her hind legs, speak on command, and retrieve the newspaper from the box at the curb. Now she lies around and sleeps alot, but she's earned it.
Ok... I've got two labs as well.. Holly is my choc and is 12.5 years old... Brandy is my black and she's 15.5 years old...

Rolling in the grass after swimming in the Illinois river while camping..



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Isn't that motor the same as the IDI motor in early Fords? If so what would prevent you from those turbo upgrades?

Also how would you accomplish a pass through? Where does the family ride?
 

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does the truck have air suspension? Yes.
gonna have its tongue hanging out hauling 2 behind it though......
I'll have to find out. It's got a lot of low end, but not a lot of legs.

Isn't that motor the same as the IDI motor in early Fords? If so what would prevent you from those turbo upgrades?

As far as I know, yes.

Also how would you accomplish a pass through? Where does the family ride?
The front seat is like 7' wide, we just all sit across. I'd put a pass through under the sink, instead of the cabinet opening. A pass-through is unlikely at this time, but might be considered in the future. We might put a minivan seat in the back with integrated seat belts, and maybe just an intercom to the cab.
 

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I may have missed it. What GVWR are you registering it at? Are you going to register it as an RV? I have no idea what Montana's requirements are for changing the registration, but I would imagine they're pretty lax like a lot of other laws in MT. Having RV plates makes a lot of bad things go away...like DOT inspectors...in Minnesota which is why I registered my bus that way. I'm not sure what would happen if I had two rigs behind me too though. That might push the 10,000 lbs GVWR trailer rule.
 

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It's currently registered as a truck with 18,000 GVW. It was clearly a truck when I first bought it, so I just did what was quick and easy. I needed tags so I could drive around and get work done on it, haul materials, get tires, etc.

It's registered through March 2009.

One of my local wheelin' friend's wife works at DMV, and she gave me the skinny on an RV conversion:

Must have 4 of 5 of:
  1. Cooking - fridge and stove
  2. Water - tank and some sort of sink/faucet
  3. Toilet - built-in or chemical
  4. Heating
  5. Electrical - permanent 12V or 120V lighting system
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    Cooking is done
    Water is close
    Toilet--we'll use a portable toilet for the girls to go potty at night. I don't want a black water tank, etc.
    Heating is done
    Electrical--needs work

    I'll have plenty of time to have 4 of 5 (or 5 of 5) by March '09 when my current registration expires and I'll get an inspection, file a change of use, and register it as an RV.


    The best news is that there's no GVW limit on RV's. I can run up to 26,000 with my Class D non-commercial MT driver's license!!

    Oh, and once it's registered as an RV, I can pay a one-time $250 registration fee!!!!

    Interestingly, insurance will be slightly more as an RV. We paid ~$150/6 months as a truck.
 

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Nah...it's based on the federal regs. That's why I was curious how much you were registering the rig at. If your combined GVWR is over 26,000 lbs and the trailer is more than 10,000 you're supposed to have a Class A CDL (combinations) blah blah blah. I've talked to several different people in the DMV and Troopers and I can't get a straight answer on it. Afterall, commercial regulations are for commercial vehicles. I can legally drive a 50,000 lbs tank of a 40 foot long RV with air brakes with just my regular Class D license because it is not commercial. So why can't I tow anything big if it's not commercial? Like I said...I can't get a straight answer from anyone and therefore I am not going to chance it. All it takes is one bored 24 year old rookie with extra swollen testicles to really wreck your day.
 

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The RV registration is the way to go, it makes it easier to insure and pass weigh stations. I know for a fact WA makes every truck over 10K stop at the border weigh stations. I passed over the WA scales in the same type of 26' U-Haul and they just waved me past( I know I was over the 18k listed on the side of the C60 truck :eek:). As long as your under 26k and it's not commercial you should be fine.

I'll bet a wet shower and toilet from a camper would work great. I would check with S&S campers and see if they get any damaged units they might sell cheap. Having a inside potty with kids is a must, and having a hot shower after a grimey day on the trail is not hard to get used to either :D.
 

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The toilet is the gray bucket hanging under the green coat:


Mrs. MT4Runner picked it out, prior to the Toterhome project, so I know it's approved! It's actually quite odor-tight with the lid closed. IMHO, it's easier to clean than a full toilet with black water tank.

:eek: My MIL has had our girls for the past 5 days.....just looking at that pic reminds me of how fast they're growing up...my 6yo is getting so tall!!!!

We've got the outside shower for now. It would be cool to put in some sort of a through-floor drain and a janitor's sink/shower pan to set into that drain...or pull up and drive the rig over that spot. I don't want to commit interior space to a permanent shower, but I'm open for ideas for a flexible shower system.




SolidAxleDurango, those could be my labs!! They always roll in the grass or dirt after swimming. Happy wet labs with big smiles, rolling on their backs with their tummies in the sun!!!
 

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I had a Fourwheel camper that had a simple sink drain. It was a piece of rubber hose connected through the sidewall with an adapter -> male garden hose fitting on the outside. You just connected it to what looked like a gas can with a garden hose fitting on the cap using a short garden hose out side the camper, instant gray water tank. It was nice because you could empty it in primitive campgrounds and it was easy to store. With a small catch pan and shower curtain, you would be in business (ok, so there is still the small matter of hot water :) ).
 

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the one i am building see the prject IH thread is clearly more of a truck than yours, has a 33k GVWR, and im legal for IL RV plates.
it makes bad things go away such as safety stickers, high lisence plates(my plates would be over $900 a year for it in truck form) and DOT regulating where i buy my fuel, and permits for crossing state lines.
 

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:D Nice !!! I miss my u-haul sometimes. It was definitly a fun project and I'm glad my work was able to inspire others. Cost wise it was definilty a lot of bang for the buck..

Keep posting pics... Looks like your doing fine, but give a shout if there is anything I might be able to help out with.
 

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I'll have to find out. It's got a lot of low end, but not a lot of legs.
ya, its gonna be way doggy with that much wieght behind a 7.3L. what trans, an older 4 speed auto, or a 5+2?
does she tach out at 55? fuel mileage is gonna suck for highway use. my 466 electric engine is gonna have its full potential used up with my setup hauling 3 rigs. my truck tops out pretty wound out at 75, so 60-63 will make a good fuel mileage setting for my RPM.


you can do a turbo setup on it, but because your gonna be hauling so much weight you are only gonna be able to turn the pump up a little bit for more fuel, or else your EGT's are gonna run way high. i know, we did this to a customers IDI 7.3L in a IH, isntalled a factory ford kit that had a upgraded exhaust housing and a custom down pipe, put a turbo pump on it, and acually had to turn the fuel screw back in becasue it was ALWAYS running 1200 degrees with him backing out of the throttle just locally trying to pull the truck and skid loader.(form truck weighing rufly 20k, and skidloader with trailer at 10k or so)

the bag suspension kicks ass! that things gonna ride like a beauty and you can dump the bags for a lower deck height for loading!
 

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what trans, an older 4 speed auto, or a 5+2? does she tach out at 55? fuel mileage is gonna suck for highway use.
Spicer 5-speed and 4.11 rearend.
Tachs out at about 62-63mph. I don't have a tach (yet), so I'll get one installed and start experimenting. I'm planning to add 2-stroke oil to the fuel, and maybe change out the rearend gear oil with synthetic.

I ran ~62 from Spokane to Kalispell (210 miles) and got about 10.5 mpg empty when I brought it home.

I'm looking for a 2-speed rearend. :smokin:
 

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Nah...it's based on the federal regs. That's why I was curious how much you were registering the rig at. If your combined GVWR is over 26,000 lbs and the trailer is more than 10,000 you're supposed to have a Class A CDL (combinations) blah blah blah. I've talked to several different people in the DMV and Troopers and I can't get a straight answer on it. Afterall, commercial regulations are for commercial vehicles. I can legally drive a 50,000 lbs tank of a 40 foot long RV with air brakes with just my regular Class D license because it is not commercial. So why can't I tow anything big if it's not commercial? Like I said...I can't get a straight answer from anyone and therefore I am not going to chance it. All it takes is one bored 24 year old rookie with extra swollen testicles to really wreck your day.
you need a CDL when the trailer weight excedes 10,000 lbs AND the GCWR is > 26000. you can town a 10,000 ;b trailer with a vehicle whose GVWR is <26000.

example: rigs GVWR= 24,000 lbs. you can legally tow a trailer weighing <10,000 (GCVWR=34,000 lbs) without a CDL.

GCVWR only has to be under 26000,if the trailer weighs >10,000 lb.

example: trailer GVWR=14,000 lbs. your tow rig can only have a GVWR of 12,000 lbs or less.

this is federal law. if your state as additional regulations,thats a whole new can of worms ;)

im not sure at all how being an RV fits into the equation. if there is no GVWR,they may let you tow up to a 26000 lb trailer, or they may take the actual weight of the RV to factor in the 26,000 lb limit if the trailer GVWR(or actual weight) is > than 10,000.

at any rate,youre right,its a pretty grey area.

i agree the MH conversion is definately the way to go. registering,plating,and insureing a vehicle with bigger than a 1 ton GVWR is super expensive. MH plates and insurance are super cheap :smokin:

also,you may not really have to have all the mods done to go ahead and switch the plates and insurance. here in ohio all you do is fill out the form,there is no actual inspection. all you have to do is answer the questions correctly on the body change form at the DMV :laughing:

just make sure you are using it only for recreational purposes. i imagine youd be in pretty big trouble if you got pulled over with a bunch og freight in your RV!
 
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