[RockRanger]

Looking for info on the input shaft on one out of the fullsize fords. The info I need is:

1. How long is the input shaft from where the bellhousing bolts to the tranny to the tip of the end where the pilot bearing rides.

2. The diameter of where the input bearing rides.

3. The diamiter of the splines for the clutch plate and how many they are. And maybe how deep they are as well if possible.

4. what part of the input shaft is the biggest in diameter and where on the shaft also the skinnyest not counting the pilot bearing area.

Thanks for any info. I am trying to determine how possible it would be to put one in my ranger and want to see how possible it is before i drop any money on buying one. And the few other truck people I know don't have any NP435s.

Matt

 

[Nobody]

I know the NP435's come with two different input shaft lenghts. 6 1/2 is the common length. Not sure what the other length is. I can get some measurements off a tranny at work. I also have a 11" clutch disc I can measure.

I hope you plan on cutting me in on the profits since I'll be doing all the research <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0">

 

[RockRanger]

HA profits whats that in the 4 wheeling world. Still not even sure if it will work or not. Just sick of the POS tranny I have now. If I get it to work I am not even sure if I would make more then the one for me. Posted on a few boards about it and all i heard was why not just put a V8 instead. So i guess there isn't to much demand for it.

Matt

 

[Nobody]

I don't think there would be much demand for it. However if it was easy, and cheap, things could change.

Most people are scared of this sort of thing. I mean a better tranny for less money, there must be some catch. Right? Right?

My initial thought is to put in a 302. I can't even begin to say how much I love my 302. I've actually been thinking about an NP435 behind a 2.8 or 2.9L. It would really help those motors out a lot.

Dude I just had an <IMG SRC="smilies/idea.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/idea.gif" border="0">
Didn't a C5 come in rangers and BII's? Aren't C4's and C5's the same deminsions?
If the transmission side of the bellhousing is a standard ford pattern, the NP 435 would bolt right up. Might need a spacer, a maybe have to machine a pilot bearing. Possibly machine the input shaft on the NP435.

This is a very possible swap.

[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Nobody ]

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[RockRanger]

OK let me get this right. You are saying that the c4 and np435 share the same bolt pattern for where the bellhousing bolts up? If thats what you are saying this is becoming a super easy swap.

I have thought about the V8 swap but living in cali gives you so many more problems. Pllus by the time you get it done you will lucky to be out for under $2000 I don't have all the tools neccesry to get away to everything the cheapest possible way.

Thanks for all the help.

Matt

 

[RockRanger]

Nobody,

Just been thinking about it and what about the cluth using the c5 bell housing. any ideas on what to do with it. It ont have anything for a fork. or holes for the hydrolic lines to in threw. The reasoning for using the 5spd tranny bellhousing is all the clutch stuff is in position and you already have all the distances set up roght for travel. Plus it would not have any harder or differetent felling clutch pedal then now. Just a few more thoughts.

Matt

 

[Nobody]

Originally posted by RockRanger:
<STRONG>OK let me get this right. You are saying that the c4 and np435 share the same bolt pattern for where the bellhousing bolts up?
Matt</STRONG>

I just looked at my C4, and the bell is held on with 7 bolts instead of the 4 bolts the NP435 uses. Ohh well.

 

[Nobody]

Originally posted by RockRanger:
<STRONG>Nobody,

Just been thinking about it and what about the cluth using the c5 bell housing. any ideas on what to do with it. It ont have anything for a fork. or holes for the hydrolic lines to in threw. The reasoning for using the 5spd tranny bellhousing is all the clutch stuff is in position and you already have all the distances set up roght for travel. Plus it would not have any harder or differetent felling clutch pedal then now. Just a few more thoughts.

Matt</STRONG>

Well the C5 bell is out, but I think you'll want to use the smallest clutch disc that will fit an NP435. And then use your ranger flywheel and pressure plate. I would try to steer clear of machining the NP435 input shaft. I just took some measurements of my TK, so I'll post that info at rrorc.

 

[RockRanger]

cool thanks. o well about the c5 thanks for the help.

Matt

 

[FordPowr..]

not sure on the pilot bearing dia. but the splines are 10 spline 1 1/16" diameter

 

[bronco78]

If you still need specs, give a yell, I have two Ford NP435 sitting on the shop floor and one on the bench in the midst of a rebuild. I'll go measure what ya need.

 

[RockRanger]

No I don't need any more specs. I talked with nobody and got a bunch of specs from him. The way I was going to do it wont work anymore so it looks like i am going to put a c4 in instead cause that can be bolted in. Thanks though

Matt

 

[Nobody]

Ahh man, I wanted to see you follow through with it. I know it's possible. Granted a C4 would be cheap, but who wants an auto besides cresco.

I still think its very possible. Not necessarily expensive either.

 

[RockRanger]

Originally posted by Nobody:
<STRONG>Ahh man, I wanted to see you follow through with it. I know it's possible. Granted a C4 would be cheap, but who wants an auto besides cresco.

I still think its very possible. Not necessarily expensive either.</STRONG>

I would love to as well. But right now with being in college I need something I can put in cheap and fast and not having it sit very long. I would love to keep working on it. Right now my tool colection for something like this is a welder grinder 1/2 inch hand drill and a tape measure. I may still look it to it more if I can find a cheap np435 laying around. I am supose to pick up mitsubishi and a mazda tranny this weekend so I will have those to play with as well.

The only way I see doing it is building a complete new bellhousing and with what I have I don't that is possible. Plus I will only have 2 weeks that it has to be done in.

Matt