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Hello i have been coming to this sight for more the 4 years and this the first time ive posted. So ive been looking at the new side by sides and thinking how much i would love one. But with th prices at over 10 grand i could never afford one. Long story short ive deiced to build one. I live on a farm so i would like a vehicle that can be very reliable , and obviously if im on this sight i love 4 wheeling. I live in sw mi so there is no rock crawling every one around has huge mud trucks with giant motors and axles,. i mostly enjoy trail riding and hill climbing and a little sand.

Because i am totally broke i am doing this as cheap as possiblie meaning no fancy coilovers or 75 dollar heim joints. Some of my plans are to be under 1800 lb and to spend under 2000.

My first idea for a engine was a automatic front wheel drive with the diff welded mounted parallel to the frame. With this type of engine i could make driveshafts strait from cv to axle diff or possibly drop a t case off one side. I would prefer the transfer case but i don't know if the fwd diff would break with all the torq on one side output. With a twin stick tcase i could have full control of front and rear wheel drive. Also this setup would make the vehicle extremely low geared.

Some of my other ideas are I could use a 4x4 drivetrain though this would increase the size more than i would like it my be what i end up with due power concerns. If i use this setup i will make the utv a 4 seater. I have a set of d44s out of a scout even though there wider than i would like there are my axles of choice so far.

I have settled on leaf springs because i can afford them although i have never seen it done i am planing on only using half the leaf in the front to make perfect approach angles. I will mount the spring upside down with the center of the spring and the rear fixed to the frame. The front of the spring will stick out and bolt to the axle at the end. Combined with a anti wrap bar i think this will result in fairly flexy suspension very cheap.

I am going to use full leaves in the rear as i may use for heavy loads. Some of the things im going to do are use 33-35 tires. I want to fold down rear seat to extend bed, use welded rear or cutting brakes. I will fenders, hood , lights from a escort choped to fit front with storage under hood. Dash with all gages lsd front and a twin sticked t-case.

If anyone has any other ideas or suggestions about my ideas pls comment.

I havent seen any other builds of this type so i would relly like to know what you think.
 

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Is it tues?



take 700 bucks, buy an old truck. weld the rear end, and lock the front. done.

you under estimate build costs
 

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suzuki samurai ------------------------$1200
33" LTB's -----------------------------$700
welded rear diff -----------------------$free
Pizza and beer-------------------------$100


searching cause it's not tuesday--------priceless
 

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x2 on the samurai.side by sides are super gay.plus with the sami you can register it and drive it on the road.
 

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....or possibly drop a t case off one side. I would prefer the transfer case but i don't know if the fwd diff would break with all the torq on one side output. With a twin stick tcase i could have full control of front and rear wheel drive. Also this setup would make the vehicle extremely low geared.
You're talkin' about my drivetrain....




http://www.cardomain.com/ride/619225/7

Ida know about $2k, tho....

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I havent seen any other builds of this type so i would relly like to know what you think.
Bullshit, you may have glanced at this site before, but if you've been here for 4 years, you would know you should have posted this on tue, or in the newb forum.

SEARCH. almost everything you want to do is shown in here if you look for it, but your not going to do it for $2k even if the motor an axles are free.

just buy a Sami, or an old toyota. hell, old fullsize trucks are getting cheap because of gas prices, you could probably buy a 70's fullsize, bob the bed and dovetail the front and rear, and still be close to two grand.
 

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Hello i have been coming to this sight for more the 4 years
........which is apparently not long enough for you to learn that this is the wrong fawking forum for your newbie junk.

You're NEVER going to build what you've detailed for 2 grand and have it be remotely reliable/safe/not booty.

Buy a beater <insert anything with 4wd here> or something else for about $1500, weld up the diffs, and go have fun.

sigh.
 

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first i have had my eye open for a sami for years the best deal ive found so far was a tracker that knocked for 1000 no joke. So i deiced to just build my own just some thing for fun with parts laying around. for those who dought my budget i have 90% of the things i need as in tools, tube, and drive train plus i am basically a member of my local junk yard (i get any thing i want for scrap price)
the main reason i want to make it small is to fit on quad trails.

and to bandito i have plenty of building experience i have a 85 450hp chevy on 44s (ya i know u all hate mud trucks i dont care) and a 388 sbc 2wd dune buggy. both built on budgets and they are perfectly reliable and well engineered . and i just finished helping a friend build a sas 94 s 10

and i have NEVER seen anyone try to build a utv.

i origanly posted to see if any one else used leaf supenison like i described

marv love ur buggy new ideas like that are what people need not a shop that builds your buggy lets the owners mount the tire and
say they built it.
did u use the first t case to raise your speed?
what are your engine and trans from ?looks like eclipse dohc
how does your rear leaf setup work much axle wrap?

does any one have any suggestions for some narrower axles

i never said i religiously come to this sight maby just once a month but i have no idea what u mean about Tuesday
 

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i never said i religiously come to this sight maby just once a month but i have no idea what u mean about Tuesday
:laughing:





how about black text? caught on with that yet?

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I guess you missed Draggbody's kid krawler and Rock Ape's honda buggy.

Draggbody's 7 yo daughter would pwn you.
Now go away.
 

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-k- here's the deal I lurked around here for over a year b4 I ever posted. even then I had a little dissagreement with a guy and had to eat crow cause I was an ass.
People around here are more than willing to help but they genuinely want to see you make an effort b4 you ask. If you can't find what you are looking for with the search button, go to google and type in what you are looking for then put site:www.pirate4x4.com after it. It should do a pretty thorough search of the site. then ask.... but think through your post before asking and make sure you don't use overly specific phrases like "I've seached EVERYWHERE", or "I KNOW this has NEVER been done before" or "Does this Jeep make my ass look fat". You will get flamed.... see below



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I found my own alternative to the side by side craze and bought two of the originals. A baja bug and a suzuki samurai. But if you wanna build from scratch more power to you. If your still looking for narrow axles I know that the jeep mail trucks had a very narrow dana 44 in the back to clear the sliding door. I dunno about the front. a sami front end seems like it would be bout right, I dunno if there are similar gear ratios available though. come to think of it I see sami axles (front and rear) on sale all the time when people stepup to yota axles and often there even geared and locked. I suggest using a transverse mounted 4 cylinder with an auto tranny and using the auto tranny's diff as the t-case. (that make sense?) I've seen it done and it looks like it could save you a ton of money on drivetrain parts, you wouldn't have to re-gear because you have the reduction of two ring gears. That's the only way I could see meeting your custom buit buggy side by side budget. If your confident about your ability to do this for the budget you set please post pics of your build (maybe in the side x side section if these guys give you to hard of a time) but definatley post it with the cost. I see alot of guys in the desert with stupid amounts of money invested in thier side by sides and it's kinda lame.(call em golf carts, they really like that:laughing:) Budget builds are the best, and in my opinion is the best tech when documented. Any one can sign a check and buy shiny stuff.
 

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did u use the first t case to raise your speed?
Yes. The 1st case is in backwards to achieve a "high" range. I have found this is really not necessary, as it will do ~55 mph in 1:1 thru the cases. In retrospect, I would use even higher axle gears (presently use 3.73's - would work well w/ 3.08's or 3.42's) and wouldn't need the 1st case.

what are your engine and trans from ?looks like eclipse dohc
Donor car was a Mazda MX3. 1.6l DOHC. 80 something HP.

how does your rear leaf setup work much axle wrap?
None. I'd never seen the 3 link done the way I did it (w/ 1 lower) in the rear. It has worked well. Good view of my single lower link:

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Good luck with the budget. I am building the same thing and nearing the $10,000 mark. A small single seat tube buggy and I have $1900 just in the wiring harness, computer and transmission adapter plate. Yes, I could have done it a little different and saved some $$$$. 2.2L Ecotec to powerglide to Sami x-fer case. Dana 44's and 35" tires. I though I could get it done under 5K but once you start building, the "modifying bug" bites you and it over from there.
 
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