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I just got off the phone with JT from Randy's Ring and Pinion (formerly with Redline Off Road).
Randy's is coming out with there own version of the Birfield Eliminator Kit. The magazine add came out this month but they will not be ready to sell any until "around December". The good part is it will be interchangable with the Red Line Kit.
It will come with 4340 axles, a manufactured spindle (not machined) and nylon shims from Dana. The mail order cost will be $599 <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
The only thing I forgot to ask him about is if it had any kind of warrenty.
I hope i'm not setting myself up for more dissapointment but the fact that it's Randy's Ring and pinion and not a one person operation makes me feel better. WE'LL SEE!
 

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Redline sold the patent to Randy's AFAIK.

Real similar product, hopefully better service.

FYI - *supposedly* Redline claims their kits are breaking due to housing flex, binding the yoke on the housing's lower knuckle bearing area. Claims that some clearancing there in addition to trussing the front axle will solve this problem.

From what I have heard, both the Moser and stock shafts have been breaking equally...

I don;t see where the changes Randy's is making will solve these admitted problems by Redline... any thoughts?

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ya i have some thoughts.

randys has the $ to back up a product. wether it is product development or warrenty at least you know they are gonna stand behind their stuff. hell they will probally even answer the phone.
 

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Already made a deal to get one of the first ones, test it out and write a product review on it. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>Redline sold the patent to Randy's AFAIK.

Real similar product, hopefully better service.

FYI - *supposedly* Redline claims their kits are breaking due to housing flex, binding the yoke on the housing's lower knuckle bearing area. Claims that some clearancing there in addition to trussing the front axle will solve this problem.

From what I have heard, both the Moser and stock shafts have been breaking equally...

I don;t see where the changes Randy's is making will solve these admitted problems by Redline... any thoughts?

[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: DRM ]</STRONG>
Ya, how odd, i heard the very same thing last night when a guy dropped off a toy housing and a redline kit for me to do an sas on runner..

Well, i said this right after the kit came into production about the housing being the weak link, if in fact that is true, my front housing is twisted a hair (2 degee's caster difference from side to side) and thats with marfields, so that was another reason i am picking up my parts in the next couple weeks for the new RC44..
 

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I'm glad to hear an experianced company is behind it now, no one needs to go through the crap many of us are.

It also solves the issue of where to get spare parts for any Redline customers if they need them.

Hell, I may need one , I only have half a kit now!
 

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Yeah, a guy i know at an off-road shop told me that about three weeks ago. he was $100 off the price though--he told me $500. I don't know, you'd still have to break 12 birfields for the kit to pay for itself, unless its worth that much to you to quit breakin birfs that much.
 

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Originally posted by Crash:
<STRONG>Ya, how odd, i heard the very same thing last night when a guy dropped off a toy housing and a redline kit for me to do an sas on runner..

Well, i said this right after the kit came into production about the housing being the weak link, if in fact that is true, my front housing is twisted a hair (2 degee's caster difference from side to side) and thats with marfields, so that was another reason i am picking up my parts in the next couple weeks for the new RC44..</STRONG>

So it seems like if you are gonna do this, then beefing up the housing and checking the knuckle for clearance (may do a little grinding just in case) would be pretty wise things to do if you go with one of these kits...
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
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So it seems like if you are gonna do this, then beefing up the housing and checking the knuckle for clearance (may do a little grinding just in case) would be pretty wise things to do if you go with one of these kits...</STRONG>
Correct, you need at least an 1/8" clearance at the bottom of the knuckle. I ground both sides on mine. It is recommended to check this and grind if needed during the intitial install.
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
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So it seems like if you are gonna do this, then beefing up the housing and checking the knuckle for clearance (may do a little grinding just in case) would be pretty wise things to do if you go with one of these kits...</STRONG>
Its pretty safe to say you hit the nail on the head dave, hard part is, do you truss it on the underside and loose clearance?? Truss it over top and hope you have no housing to oil pan issues, or do you truss it in front and run highsteer due to clearances, what to do, what to do..
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Truss it in back <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> If you take out the third member and just bolt some 5/8" plate in it's place, that should give you plenty of strength - and a nice flat surface to weld onto.</font>
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
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FYI - *supposedly* Redline claims their kits are breaking due to housing flex, binding the yoke on the housing's lower knuckle bearing area. Claims that some clearancing there in addition to trussing the front axle will solve this problem.
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Is this supposed to be happening on all the housing? I have been running a Redline kit with Warn axles for about five months without a problem. I have a 85 housing with the long gusset, I wonder if that makes a difference? <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by OOPS:
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Originally posted by DRM:
[qb]Is this supposed to be happening on all the housing? I have been running a Redline kit with Warn axles for about five months without a problem. I have a 85 housing with the long gusset, I wonder if that makes a difference? <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
According to Redline (admittedly my info is second hand - Redline told a friend of mine this) it can happen on any of them.


As for where to gusset, I would think it would be dependant on your specific setup. On mine I could gusset the top of the long side without much of a problem.
 

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How about all the guys that got screwed by redline? Is Randy's going to take care of them as part of the deal to buy the patent, or is redline, going to take care of them from the proceeds from the patent sale?
 

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Originally posted by 82FB:
<STRONG>How about all the guys that got screwed by redline? Is Randy's going to take care of them as part of the deal to buy the patent, or is redline, going to take care of them from the proceeds from the patent sale?</STRONG>
I really don't think so...
 
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