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I'm a severe newb... am I even allowed to post in the Formula Toy section? I have a few questions about them;

Is it worth looking all over the place for a used 85 or older pickup/4Runner, just to get the solid axle? Is it just as easy to get a late 80s truck and then find a solid front Toyota axle?

I'm not looking to open the manual or auto transmission discussion, but which is more popular in the F-Toy class?

I understand some people are converting their rigs to run on Propane. I read about all the advantages, and the fact that it is not "street" legal but is wonderful for a rock buggy. Is propane a more popular fuel for an F-toy or is it still questionable? Are there benefits to keeping your engine running on gasoline?

Lastly, as far as an F-toy goes, what is considered to be a rolling chassis? What's included? Does anyone build a rolling chassis for purchase, or can you generally only buy a chassis and do the entire build yourself.

I want to make building a Formula Toy a reality someday, but with limited skills/knowledge I don't know how to get started.
 

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Awesome! Thanks bro. I'll look into Dalton Fab. nice.

ps - dont drink and drive... cause you might spill your drink. :D
 

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What consists of a roller though? Just wheels, axles, frame and chassis? Any other major components?
 

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Base model Roller

Dom Formula Toy
Cleaned stock frame with new front and rear cross members
Formula Toy Body mount kit
Rear inboard spring hanger kit
Rear shackle kit
Sorry to hijack but I was just wondering if you have a website. I would love to see picks of what you offer just for comparison.
 

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Drinking and driving (or wheeling) is not funny.

Propane is street legal; besides GotPropane's kits, there have been propane conversions on toy pickups for at least a dozen years--and not all of them are trail driven. The benefit is that carbuereted rigs take extra tuning to be able to handle inclines or funny angles. Fuel-injected or Propane rigs can theoretically run upside down.

Good for you for considering an FToy for a wheelin' rig to start with. Keep that 05 Taco nice!! You will want to read a lot of threads on the Toyota Pickup and 4Runner forum and look at some of those build threads. There is a lot of tech from 1st-2nd-3rd gen pickups that carries over to FToys. Some of us might take that information for granted and not discuss it as much in an FToy build thread as you might see in a pickup build thread. You have a little more information to digest to start out...but a lot less sheet metal to trash when you're done!!!
 

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Drinking and driving (or wheeling) is not funny.

Propane is street legal; besides GotPropane's kits, there have been propane conversions on toy pickups for at least a dozen years--and not all of them are trail driven. The benefit is that carbuereted rigs take extra tuning to be able to handle inclines or funny angles. Fuel-injected or Propane rigs can theoretically run upside down.

Good for you for considering an FToy for a wheelin' rig to start with. Keep that 05 Taco nice!! You will want to read a lot of threads on the Toyota Pickup and 4Runner forum and look at some of those build threads. There is a lot of tech from 1st-2nd-3rd gen pickups that carries over to FToys. Some of us might take that information for granted and not discuss it as much in an FToy build thread as you might see in a pickup build thread. You have a little more information to digest to start out...but a lot less sheet metal to trash when you're done!!!
Thanks for the advice MT. I figured there's a lot of basic build knowledge I'd need to learn before I even dreamed of building an F-Toy. Starting with an understanding of pickups/4Runners makes a lot of sense. Between Pirate4x4 and XTREME 4X4!!!:D I'm at least able to wrap my head around some of the more technical aspects.

I thought I read all over GotPropane's site, that the DO NOT make and conversion kits that are street legal. I must have misunderstood.
Awesome. Thanks again.

:flipoff2: ...I wasn't joking around about drinking. His name is noahfecks, so I quoted a NOFX song. I'm an idiot.
 

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These are the guidelines from formulatoy.org (obviously) for building your engine.

Engine
• Toyota 20r, 21ru ,22r, 22re engines are allowed
Propane, EFI, or Carb allowed
• All Motors Must:
• Must use factory head - for block
• Must use stock type carburetor
• Must use stock type intake manifold
Must use pump gasoline
• Must be naturally aspirated
• Radiator must mount in front of engine
• Electric fans allowed
• Engine can be moved back 0"- 8" from stock
• Engine can be moved down 0"-1" from stock

I'm confused. It states Propane is allowed, but then it goes on to say that you Must use pump gasoline. What am I missing, or not understanding?
 

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I'm confused. It states Propane is allowed, but then it goes on to say that you Must use pump gasoline. What am I missing, or not understanding?

If you use gasoline, it must be pump gasoline not race gas or nitro-methane.

If you use propane, use propane.
 

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Oh, they're not the only ones...I've seen older 2nd gen pickups with 15+ y.o. propane conversions. Propane conversions aren't new..they're just somewhat new to trail rigs.
 

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Oh, they're not the only ones...I've seen older 2nd gen pickups with 15+ y.o. propane conversions. Propane conversions aren't new..they're just somewhat new to trail rigs.
Oh ok. Gotcha.

...I've seen one or two Toys with top mounted shackles like that. What's the benefit over typical shackles? Those are sweet man.
 

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Start reading threads, mang!!!

No chance of the shackle inverting, and possibly less risk of spring damage if you back into a ledge than a free-swinging shackle.
 

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Start reading threads, mang!!!

No chance of the shackle inverting, and possibly less risk of spring damage if you back into a ledge than a free-swinging shackle.
Hahaha... I'm trying, I'm trying!! The more I read, the more questions I have. Trust me, I work 40 hours a week, and have a 4 month old son... in my spare time (spare is a strong word) I do nothing but read Pirate4x4 and gaze out the window at the mountains that surround north jersey. I appreciate every tiny little minute piece of info gained around here.

:flipoff2: It took me months of reading before I even registered and had the balls to post... you guys are EXTREME!!

Anyway, thanks. My F-toy horizons are broadening.
 

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Enjoy the kid. My 4yo and 5.5yo daughters love wheelin' with me. My build will take 3x longer than it would take a single guy, as I spend time most evenings with the girls instead of in the shop, but it's all a-oK.
 

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When they get older they can spot for you. Just don,t piss em off before a comp
 

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Enjoy the kid. My 4yo and 5.5yo daughters love wheelin' with me. My build will take 3x longer than it would take a single guy, as I spend time most evenings with the girls instead of in the shop, but it's all a-oK.

Very well said! It's good to see someone with the right priorities:beer:
 

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We went hiking yesterday with a FS Recreation specialist to look at a proposed wheelin' area; the kids are great "icebreakers" and also show the powers-that-be that this is a family sport.

Of course, the girls' biggest thrill was catching a caterpillar and playing in the mud!
 

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:D Thats awesome. My little dude doesn't know how lucky he is. When he's 17 he'll have an "old school" '05 Taco waiting for him... and an F-Toy. Well, thanks again for the help. I'm sure I'll have more questions.
 

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When they get older they can spot for you. Just don,t piss em off before a comp


My ten year old son is my spotter when I'm backing up to hook up the trailer and when I'm just backing up. He's already better than all of my neighbors. He's done a little spotting from the passenger seat. Soon enough he'll be doing all my spotting! I have to agree with everyone else that said to enjoy your time with the kids. I built my kids a SJ410 so they can eventually wheel with me.
 
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