NFA question concerning single item... SBR + SMG

flatlander757 · Dec 24, 2011

I'm watching "Public Enemy" right now because the movie is fucking awesome.

I am poking around looking at the M1921 and M1927 Thompsons... evidently due to OAL, barrel length, whatever you need an NFA stamp.

Main difference is the 1921 is full auto, the 1927 is semi-auto... and the original full auto ones are super expensive...

Hypothetical question: could you technically buy a 1927A1-A5 SBR (semi auto replicas made by Auto-Ordnance... also makers of the original 1921 and 1927)... and make it full auto(thereby saving thousands of $$ in obtaining a full auto SMG)?

You still need to pay for the tax stamp for the firearm that needs to have an NFA stamp(due to being a short barreled rifle), so would that allow turning it full auto since that is also an NFA item?

I'm honestly not familiar with the NFA process(obviously), I am not sure if each stamp needs a specific description of whatever it is covering or what... but figured this would potentially be interesting.

Zuki Tyler · Dec 24, 2011

"New" MG's can't be registered after 1986.

That's why MG's are SO expensive, artificial restriction on supply... and thus greater demand.

flatlander757 · Dec 24, 2011

Zuki Tyler said:
"New" MG's can't be registered after 1986.

That's why MG's are SO expensive, artificial restriction on supply... and thus greater demand.

Damn... that's what I figured.

It would be badass to go to the range in a baller ass pinstripe suit with a Thompson in a violin case. :laughing:

kwrangln · Dec 24, 2011

flatlander757 said:
Damn... that's what I figured.

It would be badass to go to the range in a baller ass pinstripe suit with a Thompson in a violin case. :laughing:

If that's the intended goal, then bumpfiring is your friend.

Or, with enough practice, you could shoot damn near fast enough that some folks would think it was full auto and actually hit stuff.:smokin:

flatlander757 · Dec 24, 2011

kwrangln said:
If that's the intended goal, then bumpfiring is your friend.

Or, with enough practice, you could shoot damn near fast enough that some folks would think it was full auto and actually hit stuff.:smokin:

No, that's not the intended goal or anything... just thinking out loud.

Hell, the range I normally go to doesn't allow rapid fire in more than 3 shot bursts... but if I buy a "Tommy gun" then I want it to be damn near historically accurate to what was used in the 30s.

I just need a basic 5" Government-issue 1911, a Thompson M1921, and an M1 Garand... and I think that would be the fucking trifecta of American firearms history for my collection.

44Runner · Dec 24, 2011

If you could register new MGs I would have at least 5 select fires chilling in the safe...

animator · Dec 24, 2011

flatlander757 said:
No, that's not the intended goal or anything... just thinking out loud.

Hell, the range I normally go to doesn't allow rapid fire in more than 3 shot bursts... but if I buy a "Tommy gun" then I want it to be damn near historically accurate to what was used in the 30s.

I just need a basic 5" Government-issue 1911, a Thompson M1921, and an M1 Garand... and I think that would be the fucking trifecta of American firearms history for my collection.

You'd need a m1919 and an m1918 B.A.R to fully complete the collection... :flipoff2:

Zuki Tyler · Dec 24, 2011

flatlander757 said:
if I buy a "Tommy gun" then I want it to be damn near historically accurate to what was used in the 30s.

What are registered open bolt Thompsons going for these days?

Here's a fun way to think about it... how much $$$ do you have in your Jeep?

:laughing:

flatlander757 · Dec 24, 2011

Zuki Tyler said:
What are registered open bolt Thompsons going for these days?

Here's a fun way to think about it... how much $$$ do you have in your Jeep?

:laughing:

A quick look seemed to indicate $20k to $30k

It's fucking silly... I don't think I'll ever own anything full auto.

Zuki Tyler · Dec 24, 2011

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=144367
No clue if this is transferable.
$12k

And how much do many people on this site have tied up in 4x4's?

:laughing:

Seems reasonable, for a hobby, when being compared.

flatlander757 · Dec 24, 2011

Zuki Tyler said:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=144367
No clue if this is transferable.
$12k

And how much do many people on this site have tied up in 4x4's?

:laughing:

Seems reasonable, for a hobby, when being compared.

Meh... when it's something that you KNOW costs 1/10 of the price to produce... it's a lot harder to spend that much... let alone save that much up.

And it doesn't have the pistol foregrip... it's gotta have that.

jmorrismetal · Dec 25, 2011

Once you have a machine gun you don't need a SBR stamp and any forward grip is ok to add as well but you do need another stamp for a suppressor (it's a "firearm" itself to the BATFE).

You can get a fullauto MAC for +-$3k, less than a lot of sets of wheels and tires.

flatlander757 · Dec 25, 2011

jmorrismetal said:
Once you have a machine gun you don't need a SBR stamp and any forward grip is ok to add as well but you do need another stamp for a suppressor (it's a "firearm" itself to the BATFE).

You can get a fullauto MAC for +-$3k, less than a lot of sets of wheels and tires.

Not as interested in the gangbanger full auto guns... I would gladly shoot one but have no desire to own one.

M16.. hell yeah. M3 Grease Gun... damn straight. Mac 10 or Uzi... they don't appeal to me.

TheRedHorseman · Dec 25, 2011

You must never have shot an UZI.

flatlander757 · Dec 25, 2011

TheRedHorseman said:
You must never have shot an UZI.

True.

If anyone would like to let me shoot one though I'll gladly do it:laughing:

4runner · Dec 25, 2011

Or a MAC10:flipoff2:

You should have attended an OSR shootout...

The M1 variant had the horizontal foregrip per mil spec...

I have seen VERY FEW semi auto Thompsons that were SBR...most have 16" bbls.

I have noticed that a lot of FA prices have come down slightly in the last couple of years...

flatlander757 · Dec 25, 2011

4runner said:
Or a MAC10:flipoff2:

You should have attended an OSR shootout...

The M1 variant had the horizontal foregrip per mil spec...

I have seen VERY FEW semi auto Thompsons that were SBR...most have 16" bbls.

I have noticed that a lot of FA prices have come down slightly in the last couple of years...

Well at the very least I have a new compulsive buy for when I win the lottery or slip on some dog poop that a neighbor didn't clean up and sue for millions.:laughing:

Zuki Tyler · Dec 25, 2011

flatlander757 said:
Not as interested in the gangbanger full auto guns...

:laughing:

Quoted for irony.

aloharover · Dec 25, 2011

Zuki Tyler said:
:laughing:

Quoted for irony.

:lmao:

jmorrismetal · Dec 25, 2011

I'm watching "Public Enemy" right now because the movie is fucking awesome.

Not as interested in the gangbanger full auto guns...

[roll:eyes]

NFA question concerning single item... SBR + SMG

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