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See.. the greenies even fight themselves...
That is what a lot of people don't unerstand... the Greenies won;t be happy until the human race is eradicated from the Earth completely! they start with the 4x4's and the snowmobiles, and will eventually get all human activity banned from the backcountry areas....

This was forwarded to me from a Texas 4x4 mailing list... good reading.. (plus it makes me laugh that they are attacking their own now... :rolleyes: )

It doesn't matter what form of recreation you choose. Somewhere,
somehow, somebody is objecting to what you do. See below:


Kaykers vs. Conservationists in California?

Sea kayakers with Greenpeace bumper stickers and Earth Day T-shirts
would seem unlikely enemies to the preservationist movement, but wary
environmentalists in one Northern California community are watching the
kayaking boom closely.

In West Marin county, kayakers are being accused of disturbing wildlife
and contaminating water in what has been called America's cleanest bay.
"We may have to have kayaks banned," says Barbara Salzman, an Audubon
Society activist concerned about the birds of Bolinas Lagoon. Salzman
and other Auduboners are calling on authorities to limit paddling in a
lagoon that has been called one of the top 10 birdwatching sites in
North America.

The Lagoon is one of a half dozen major stopovers for migrating birds on
the West Coast. Getting flushed into the air can cut short their stay at
a time when it's crucial for them to regain strength. "If there's a lot
of disturbance, the birds can't rest; the birds can't feed," Salzman
says. That same lagoon also is a rookery to dozens of harbor seals. Shy
seals and curious paddlers don't mix. A study of human/seal interaction
showed paddlers flushed the seals off the beach 26.8 percent of the
times they were observed in the study area.

Maria Brown, executive director of the Gulf of the Farallones
Association (which conducted the study), says kayakers are not giving
predator-sensitive seals enough room. "The mean distance for there to be
a flush from someone on the water is 120 meters," Brown says. That's 93
feet more than a football field, a difficult distance for curious
kayakers and all but impossible at low tide.

A dozen miles north, in Tomales Bay, environmentalists are also worried
about the birds and the seals. And they are worried about something
messier: human waste. Oyster farms punctuate the long narrow bay that
separates the designated wilderness area of Point Reyes National
Seashore from the rest of Marin County.

The oyster farmers depend on pure water to stay open. When 171 people
fell ill with Norwalk Virus last year, the farmers started looking for
culprits. Kayakers, the fastest-growing user group, were obvious
suspects. "It only takes one person with human waste," says Terry Sawyer
at Hog Island Oyster Company, one of the oyster farms closed by the
viral outbreak. "That's all it takes." Oyster farmers and
environmentalists admit there is no smoking gun and authorities are
looking closely at septic systems to trace the Norwalk outbreak. Still,
paddlers can camp on any tent-sized stretch of beach above the high-tide
line in the National Seashore and fears exist that not everybody is
packing out what they packed in.

Environmentalists are calling for a requirement that kayakers carry
portable waste containers and National Park Service officials are
beginning their first-ever permit process for campers in the area. So
far, a spirit of cooperation exists on the waters. Commercial outfitters
are going to meetings with environmental groups and park officials;
everybody wants to keep kayaking clean and green. Bob Licht of Sea Trek
pioneered the sea kayak business in California. He wants sea kayaking to
stay the low-impact, environmentally friendly recreation he knows it can
be. "The outfitters know that their business is at stake," he says.
"They have to pay attention to these issues."

Michael Jeneid, a 50-year paddler and professional kayak guide who lives
on the edge of Bolinas Lagoon, voluntarily suspends his business during
the winter waterfowl migration. "Ducks have no tolerance whatsoever for
kayaks," he says. "They take off, literally, when you're a quarter of a
mile away. You don't have the right to flush the waterfowl off what is
very specifically a duck sanctuary."

At least some of the conflict rests purely in the numbers. Paddlers, at
least in large numbers, are a relatively new user group and local
residents, including the environmentalists, have had less time to adjust
to them. Residents complain about shouting and sport utility vehicles
with roof racks taking up the prime parking spots. Kayaks can be a
jarring presence, one that has gone from occasional novelty to daily
disturbance in less than a decade. "When I moved here, you never saw
more than one or two of them at a time. Now there are three services on
the bay and two or three more that come in every weekend with huge
trailers with dozens of kayaks," says Mark Dowie, president of the
Environmental Action Committee of West Marin. "It just looks like a
whole flotilla of them."

So far, officials in both areas are opting for education over
enforcement. Commercial outfitters are being told to teach their clients
to avoid wildlife and pack out waste. Signs are going up along the
water's edge. Local groups like Bay Area Sea Kayakers are being
contacted to spread the message. Both sides are calling it a fixable
situation. "They're not jet skis," Licht says. "It just takes some
awareness on the part of the paddlers." -Rick Polito

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is it possible to wear out a quote???

“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.” -- Martin Niemoeller


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The funny thing about most of the eco-nazi groups is that they each have their own agenda, and sometimes the agenda of one does not fit in with the agenda of another. Like the above article, the Audubons main agenda is birds and their habitat, it obviously does not fit in with the agenda of the others. Sometimes you have to wonder how they manage to stay afloat.
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