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Well actually I'm going to rebuild my steering box and want to know what I'm getting myself into. It looks pretty basic from the directions in the kit, but this wiill be a first for me. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of the rebuild process?

Another thing is that the rebuild kit didn't come with any bearings! From the drawing it looks as though there are three bearings in the box. Anybody have the part numbers? This is a Scout box.

Morgan? Cardinal Fang? Haven't you guys had these things part before? Can you offer any tips/pointers? Morgan said something about different sized bearings????

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No tips from me....I sent my box to LakeRat for a rebuild and one of his port and tweak setups. $150 that IMO will be well spent.

However, my "spare" box will need a rebuild...very interested in the upcoming responses...
 

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talk to morgan, I think he said he rebuilt a scout box a couple years ago <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPENED AT RUBITHON WHEN MORGAN TRIED TO REBUILD HIS PS BOX DUDE?

I seem to remember an all day venture to get a knew one since his became like a bike with no brakes, you could just spin those bars.

I know you would like to save some cash here, but i would not do it after that experience.

I would not go buy a new box either(i know your thinking, Does he think i am some rich f*#k who would buy new when there are some down at the PnP) but i did and i wish i went to the wrecking yard for another compared to spending wayyy too much on a rebuilt one that was not much better.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by woody:
<STRONG>No tips from me....I sent my box to LakeRat for a rebuild and one of his port and tweak setups. $150 that IMO will be well spent.

However, my "spare" box will need a rebuild...very interested in the upcoming responses...</STRONG>
so does woody know how to find one said "lakerat" (just trying to throw you in third person mode again) <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by COMPLAINE:
<STRONG>DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPENED AT RUBITHON WHEN MORGAN TRIED TO REBUILD HIS PS BOX DUDE?

I seem to remember an all day venture to get a knew one since his became like a bike with no brakes, you could just spin those bars.

I know you would like to save some cash here, but i would not do it after that experience.

I would not go buy a new box either(i know your thinking, Does he think i am some rich f*#k who would buy new when there are some down at the PnP) but i did and i wish i went to the wrecking yard for another compared to spending wayyy too much on a rebuilt one that was not much better.

Good luck.

Ian-</STRONG>
I remember Ian, but do you remember Morgan mentioning something about mixing up bearings? I do, but want to talk to him and Card to find out for sure.

Jimmy

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Originally posted by 69cruzer:
<STRONG>so does woody know how to find one said "lakerat" (just trying to throw you in third person mode again) <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
the lakerat is on this board do a search
i know lance has not been able to get in touch with him so who knows ....
 

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I tried to rebuild my sag box about 7 months ago. The directions do make it sound simple but it isnt. I had nothing to lose but $15 for the rebuild kit. When all was said and done, I was buying a rebuilt unit for $120. I am no rocket scientist but I felt like I needed to be one after I opened up the gearbox and about 15 ball bearings of 2 different sizes fell out. I pulled it apart and put it back together a few times and every time it was assembled, it ended up either not turning or turning 1 turn lock to lock. I still think it is worth the gamble of losing a few bucks for the rebuild kit vs. buying a new one without trying to fix the old one.
 

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I have never rebuilt one but did replace
the seals on a couple. it was real easy.
 

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Those little steel balls that fall out and roll to all corners and crannies of the shop floor <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> are NOT bearings. They are actually used to control the movement of fluid through the rack-piston. Half of them are a few 10-thousands of an inch larger in diameter than the other half (I don't have my rebuild manual with me, and thus can't be completely accurate here). Originally half are polished steel and half are black in color, so they can be distinguished. Unfortunately, with age and/or any water in the box, the color separation disappears. The balls must be placed in the rack-piston in a specific manner -- alternating size (color) beginning with a specific size. If, after spilling the balls all over the shop because you did not expect them (Hi Morgan <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> ), if you don't get them all replaced AND in the proper sequence, the box will not work properly.

The bottom line is that rebuilding a Saginaw PS box is not difficult, but you need to be careful and know what to expect. A rebuild manual really comes in handy from my experience. Also with a rebuild manual and a little bit of understanding it is not difficult to figure out how to modify the box for hydraulic assist steering and other enhancements.
 

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Also with a rebuild manual and a little bit of understanding it is not difficult to figure out how to modify the box for hydraulic assist steering and other enhancements.</STRONG>
The ColoradoK5 site has some good info for modifying the Saginaw box for hydro assist, FYI

There's nothing I hate worse than opening up a can of worms and watching your balls roll across the floor - been there, done that!

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andy,
please recount the exact story of when you opened up a can or worms and your balls rolled around on the floor. i think we'd all benefit from the retelling and exact details!

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as for jimmy's problem. jimmy, i remember morgan clearly stating that he wouldn't rebuild himself again. too many problems doing the rebuild and of course the trip to reno wasn't his idea of the rubicon. get a cheapy from PnP and be done with it. if you'r worried about trail breakage, well, just get 2 at PnP. carry one in your tool box.
 

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I hear ya Jay, but I already bougth the kit and I think it will be good knowledge that might come in handy on the trail. For the record I've looked at all the yards that I usually hit, and none are around. I'll take another look this weekend, but am going to rebuild this one too just for the fawk of it.

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cable? as in tv? yeah i got cable, only basic though. my wife isn't a fan of toob, so had to compromise on the number of channels.
 

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Originally posted by fc187:
<STRONG>talk to morgan, I think he said he rebuilt a scout box a couple years ago <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
I may not be the smartest guy around, but I would highly recommend you have a pro rebuild your steering box.

Oh man, that was a tuff Saturday. I rebuilt my Scout PS box with a kit from Napa in April because Bill Jackson had taken a torch to it in order to get the old pitman arm off. Two months later, coming into Rubicon Springs it finally failed after binding all day, and the wheel just spun. Ian, Andy, Jimmy and others were very helpful, got the vehicle to camp. I pulled the box and next morning (Saturday) Ian and Jimmy and I headed up Cadillac to get a replacement.

Ian and Jimmy, you saved my sorry ass. It took all day, but we finally found the right box in a junkyard in Reno. Left around 7AM, got back to camp around midnight. Next morning I put the box on and drove out, was at work Monday morning.

BTW, that junkyard box is now in Don's pig.

I think Medusa (Jack) has successfully rebuilt one, but he's smarter than me. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by Dog House:
<STRONG>Morgan said something about different sized bearings?</STRONG>
Jimmy, there were 11 silver bearings and 11 black bearings in the worm gear. I didn't keep track of which came out from where, and the very generic, brief instructions that came with the Napa kit made no mention of them.



I couldn't see a size difference with some garage calipers, but I later found out one color was larger than the other, and the fact that I didn't know that and didn't feed them back in properly was probably what caused my steering box to fail.
One more thing - a reman box is $150-$200, but you will spend most of a day trying to rebuild it yourself. Power steering boxes are complex. Is it worth it?

Napa.

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Originally posted by morgan:
<STRONG>Jimmy, there were 11 silver bearings and 11 black bearings in the worm gear. I didn't keep track of which came out from where, and the very generic, brief instructions that came with the Napa kit made no mention of them.



I couldn't see a size difference with some garage calipers, but I later found out one color was larger than the other, and the fact that I didn't know that and didn't feed them back in properly was probably what caused my steering box to fail.
One more thing - a reman box is $150-$200, but you will spend most of a day trying to rebuild it yourself. Power steering boxes are complex. Is it worth it?

Napa.

morgan</STRONG>
Why yes. Yes it is worth it to me. + I found one a bone yard a bit of a drive away. So I'll probably go grab that one just for a spare if the input shaft is the right size. Then again I will probably buy it even if it isn't and pass it along to somebody else.

Thanks for the info Morgan!I plan on mic'ing the ball bearings as well. I think I'll get a real manual too. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I think Medusa (Jack) has successfully rebuilt one, but he's smarter than me.
No, he's just a smart ass <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> who happened to have a manual.
 
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